On the back of his first pole position last weekend, Mercedes driver Valtteri Bottas topped the second day of in-season testing at Sakhir. The Finn ejoyed a trouble-free day and completed a massive 143 laps.
Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,PhillipM wrote:Yes, it's also why they're sangbagging on fast laps and still aren't running flat out yet. As per yesterdays discussion where I got told they don't do that, they go flat out!
Well it's as plain as the day is today...they sandbag.
I have a Honda lawnmower. It sounds like that when I accidentally run over a large stone or stick! Terrible.PhillipM wrote:That sounded like serious metal crunching in that Honda motor, of the hole in piston or bearing gone variety.
Quite obviously infact. If I really had to guess, with extreme emphasis on guess, those laps from Vettel were low fuel as he did one lap on the soft, super soft and ultra soft respectively and subsequently. So that looked like qualifying simulation work for the 3 tyres you are going to use in Q3 throughout the season, depending on the allocated tyres for each race.PhillipM wrote:Yes, it's also why they're sangbagging on fast laps and still aren't running flat out yet. As per yesterdays discussion where I got told they don't do that, they go flat out!
Well it's as plain as the day is today...they sandbag.
Ever wonder where the term "sandbagging" came from?Wass85 wrote:Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,
You have absolutely no idea what engine modes, downforce levels, setup and fuel loads were used in each run so there is no comparison. Why is that so hard to take on board?Wass85 wrote:Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,PhillipM wrote:Yes, it's also why they're sangbagging on fast laps and still aren't running flat out yet. As per yesterdays discussion where I got told they don't do that, they go flat out!
Well it's as plain as the day is today...they sandbag.
You are in no position to affirm what they were doing like you did, teams test a variety of situations, including qualifying.Shakeman wrote:
there's a huge difference between a second or third stint fuel load to the egg cupful in Quali. We've no idea if DRS was used in these laps or not or for how long, how much down force the cars are setup with. There are way too many variables to make a comparison between two laps on two different days during testing which Wass85 was doing.
The quick times are not an indicator of quali setup in a grand prix weekend. IMHO.
It also goes the other way, struggling teams have been known to run light and look racy in testing to help getting sponsors. Williams have done this in the past.Phil wrote:
Ever wonder where the term "sandbagging" came from?
Each driver has their own setup anyway. Of course Hamilton could have more fuel and a lower engine setting I just don't see why they would when they were doing one lap runs on relatively low fuel.Shakeman wrote:You have absolutely no idea what engine modes, downforce levels, setup and fuel loads were used in each run so there is no comparison. Why is that so hard to take on board?Wass85 wrote:Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,PhillipM wrote:Yes, it's also why they're sangbagging on fast laps and still aren't running flat out yet. As per yesterdays discussion where I got told they don't do that, they go flat out!
Well it's as plain as the day is today...they sandbag.
Sauber as well, in 2010. McLaren even looked like they were amazingly fast in 2013, after which it transpired they installed a suspension part in a wrong way which ran the car too low.Shakeman wrote:It also goes the other way, struggling teams have been known to run light and look racy in testing to help getting sponsors. Williams have done this in the past.Phil wrote:
Ever wonder where the term "sandbagging" came from?
Of course but Bottas' lap looked amazing with no signs of running heavy or in low power modes.Phil wrote:Ever wonder where the term "sandbagging" came from?Wass85 wrote:Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,
If you run in a lower spec engine mode, or add more fuel, or add balast, you can still be pushing a 100% but end up with a higher than under different circumstance derrived possible laptime.
Could, would, should. Let's simply stop speculating about it. There's no point in it. Just stop.Wass85 wrote:Each driver has their own setup anyway. Of course Hamilton could have more fuel and a lower engine setting I just don't see why they would when they were doing one lap runs on relatively low fuel.Shakeman wrote:You have absolutely no idea what engine modes, downforce levels, setup and fuel loads were used in each run so there is no comparison. Why is that so hard to take on board?Wass85 wrote:
Bottas certainly didn't look like he was sandbagging yesterday. Can anyone post his and Hamilton's sector times so we can compare,
Exactly so lets look at the facts, Bottas was quicker than Hamilton on slower tyres.turbof1 wrote:Could, would, should. Let's simply stop speculating about it. There's no point in it. Just stop.Wass85 wrote:Each driver has their own setup anyway. Of course Hamilton could have more fuel and a lower engine setting I just don't see why they would when they were doing one lap runs on relatively low fuel.Shakeman wrote:
You have absolutely no idea what engine modes, downforce levels, setup and fuel loads were used in each run so there is no comparison. Why is that so hard to take on board?
