2017 F1 general testing thread

[dren]

Renault being in three teams sort of masks that. They are having some teething issues as well. Not quite as bad as Honda, but it doesn't bode well for them at the start of the season.

[AnthonyG]

And this one is for the engines:

Mercedes: 2414
Ferrari: 2255
Renault: 1628
Honda: 399

Looking at this, Honda could have bought Manor. Gotten extra details on the Mercedes engine and got an extra valuable test bed for their engines.

[Matt_Pag]

Yes, but this doesn't look that good (the number of laps teams have done during the tests):

Mercedes: 1114
Ferrari: 864
Sauber: 729
Williams: 715
Force India: 685
Haas: 662
Red Bull: 625
Renault: 534
Toro Rosso: 469
McLaren: 399

Absolutely, the mileage has been horrendous. My point was simply to suggest that McLaren breaking down as being disruptive to others is ridiculous.

Just annoying to see the once technical and interesting chat of this forum slowly being replaced with nonsense and trolling.

Well honestly a lot of the laps have been in "survival mode", with a very detuned engine and just in/out of the pits... So yeah I don't think that the situation is that much exaggerated, Honda are in a very bad position. Plus pretty much all the other teams have shown at least "sparks" of good laptimes, whether I don't really think we can really say the same in the case of McLaren..so didn't just have bad reliability, they had all those problems even running with a detuned engine and going really slow


P.S. I'm a Nando fan, so I'm not really trying to bash them, just I think that based on what se have seen McLaren is in a critical position
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[SiLo]

Don't forget Sauber are running the older spec engine so the Ferrari laps for the new engine are significantly less.

[dren]

From what Wazari has said, Honda drove the development phase too far and didn't quit in time to give themselves adequate test bed testing for reliability prior to the start of actual testing. That's very old school.

[Restomaniac]

What a boring return after lunch!

[Gerhardsa]

Are they using the 2017 engine now or not (McHonda) ?

[Xero]

From what Wazari has said, Honda drove the development phase too far and didn't quit in time to give themselves adequate test bed testing for reliability prior to the start of actual testing. That's very old school.

If that extra development leads to gains in power and performance in the long run, then that's understandable. To reuse the old quote, it's easier to make a powerful engine more reliable than it is to make a reliable engine more powerful. In the long term, it may pay dividends. Maybe!

[dren]

I have no clue what PU is in the car. It sounds like the spec of unit they have been running has not only been unreliable, but poor on power, too. Xero, I think that's the idea, but it is yet to be shown if the final spec PU will be powerful.

[Xero]

I think it's hard to draw any conclusions on the power of this test spec either, if it's truly been running detuned this whole time. Let's face it, McLaren will know the numbers coming from the dyno in Sakura, if they were promising they'd be simply criticising the reliability at this point, not the power too. At the same time, they seemed cautiously optimistic before testing started, so who knows for sure.

Back on track, good to see cars finally hitting the track again. Been a strange lack of running across the board today!

[shady]

The PUs are probably all at the limit of materials (ie oil tank baffles) including insulation and packaging. there is a ground fault issue that is causing major delays today, and in reality that particular demon will be fixed in melbourne. this feels completely different to 2015 where they didnt know what to do, while we have seen the results from a lack of testing, i think the PU will leapfrog the chassis earlier than later. I think these issues are a result of Honda not messing around at all.. they pointed to the outfield and are swinging for the fences.. lets just wait.

[davidfroshanzen]

I have no clue what PU is in the car. It sounds like the spec of unit they have been running has not only been unreliable, but poor on power, too. Xero, I think that's the idea, but it is yet to be shown if the final spec PU will be powerful.

Final spec? When? End of season?

[aleks_ader]

So how it is now with penalties for Mclaren.

For the purposes of this Article 23.3, the power unit will be deemed to comprise six separate elements, the engine (ICE), the motor generator unit-kinetic (MGU-K), the
motor generator unit-heat (MGU-H), the energy store (ES), turbocharger (TC) and
control electronics (CE).

Each driver will therefore be permitted to use four of each of the above six components
during a Championship season and any combination of them may be fitted to a car at
any one time.

e) Should a driver use more than four of any one of the elements during a Championship
season, a grid place penalty will be imposed upon him at the first Event during which
each additional element is used. Penalties will be applied according to the following
table and will be cumulative :
The first time a 5th of any of the Ten grid place penalty.
elements is used.
The first time a 5th of any of the Five grid place penalty.
remaining elements is used.
The first time a 6th of any of the Ten grid place penalty.
elements is used.
The first time a 6th of any of the Five grid place penalty.
remaining elements is used, and so on.

A power unit or any of the six elements will be deemed to have been used once the
car’s timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

During any single Event, if a driver introduces more than one of the same power unit
element which is subject to penalties, only the last element fitted may be used at
subsequent Events without further penalty.

If understand correctly. Yo got failed 2 failed compoments. For example CE in MGUK . So 2×10 places=-20 places. And you had another MGUK fail and you had obligation to run MGUK#2 part onwards throw event. Even more you got more running, got another failure and you need another MGUK#3 and so you are again obliged to use last one. So that means that you cannot use part MGUK#1 in MGUK#2 in current weekend, but could you use at the next weekend? Or next weekend you got another penalty for "second first" use of #2 element? So no free elements to stack it on on another in one event.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Ferrari looking like true championship contenders... Alonso's regret must be huge...

[thomin]

P.S. I'm a Nando fan

Yeah, I really like their chicken as well...
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