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ClarkBT11 wrote:Bottas's fastest testing time was 19.310 - 60 kg fuel (speculation) 10 kg fuel = 0.3 seconds x 6 = 1.8 seconds 19.310 - 1.8 = 17.510 potential fastest lap

Thanks to Mark4211 we know bottas was in strat 2 on his fastest lap which is Mercedes quali mode.
That is quite a speculation, Bottas most certanly was not on 60kg of fuel. Mercedes with full tanks (105 kg of fuel) was in low 1:25 in race simulations on soft tires, so no way 1:19.3 was done with 60kg of fuel. I would say he had max 20 kg of fuel, but that would mean that 10kg of fuel is more than 0.6s a lap and a potencial time of 1:18 flat or lower.

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So yday after Kimi did that lap this was posted in one of the testing feeds:
More Raikkonen info

Interesting to note that after Raikkonen set his fastest lap, he stuck around on track for a little bit, suggesting the car wasn't extremely light on fuel.
Would love to know what "stuck around for a little bit" means in terms of # of laps and the performance/time of those laps.

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tomazy wrote:
ClarkBT11 wrote:Bottas's fastest testing time was 19.310 - 60 kg fuel (speculation) 10 kg fuel = 0.3 seconds x 6 = 1.8 seconds 19.310 - 1.8 = 17.510 potential fastest lap

Thanks to Mark4211 we know bottas was in strat 2 on his fastest lap which is Mercedes quali mode.
That is quite a speculation, Bottas most certanly was not on 60kg of fuel. Mercedes with full tanks (105 kg of fuel) was in low 1:25 in race simulations on soft tires, so no way 1:19.3 was done with 60kg of fuel. I would say he had max 20 kg of fuel, but that would mean that 10kg of fuel is more than 0.6s a lap and a potencial time of 1:18 flat or lower.
But it would make sense if Ferrari is potentially .5 quicker than the time Kimi posted and Mercedes have a .3-.5 advantage and Mercedes historically test with 60 kg fuel.

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ClarkBT11 wrote:
tomazy wrote:
ClarkBT11 wrote:Bottas's fastest testing time was 19.310 - 60 kg fuel (speculation) 10 kg fuel = 0.3 seconds x 6 = 1.8 seconds 19.310 - 1.8 = 17.510 potential fastest lap

Thanks to Mark4211 we know bottas was in strat 2 on his fastest lap which is Mercedes quali mode.
That is quite a speculation, Bottas most certanly was not on 60kg of fuel. Mercedes with full tanks (105 kg of fuel) was in low 1:25 in race simulations on soft tires, so no way 1:19.3 was done with 60kg of fuel. I would say he had max 20 kg of fuel, but that would mean that 10kg of fuel is more than 0.6s a lap and a potencial time of 1:18 flat or lower.
But it would make sense if Ferrari is potentially .5 quicker than the time Kimi posted and Mercedes have a .3-.5 advantage and Mercedes historically test with 60 kg fuel.
This has become amusing now. where are all these numbers coming from? is there a mole in the Mercedes camp telling someone these numbers?
calm down Mercedes fans simple logic says they should still have an advantage so nitpicking at the Ferrari is basically you creating scenarios to back up your preconcieved notion.
I will leave this "discussion" alone with this from Kimi:

“for sure if we want we can go faster but that’s not the purpose”.
"I think it was all more or less pretty positive," he said. "The car has been running well and the feeling since the first day has been pretty good. The team has done a good job over the winter preparing the car and making it reliable.
"Compared to a year ago we feel it's much, much better in many ways, but where we are going to be in the first race I don't know. It's the same story every winter and we'll see in three weeks."

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ClarkBT11 wrote:
tomazy wrote:
ClarkBT11 wrote:Bottas's fastest testing time was 19.310 - 60 kg fuel (speculation) 10 kg fuel = 0.3 seconds x 6 = 1.8 seconds 19.310 - 1.8 = 17.510 potential fastest lap

Thanks to Mark4211 we know bottas was in strat 2 on his fastest lap which is Mercedes quali mode.
That is quite a speculation, Bottas most certanly was not on 60kg of fuel. Mercedes with full tanks (105 kg of fuel) was in low 1:25 in race simulations on soft tires, so no way 1:19.3 was done with 60kg of fuel. I would say he had max 20 kg of fuel, but that would mean that 10kg of fuel is more than 0.6s a lap and a potencial time of 1:18 flat or lower.
But it would make sense if Ferrari is potentially .5 quicker than the time Kimi posted and Mercedes have a .3-.5 advantage and Mercedes historically test with 60 kg fuel.
Mercedes tested on all sort of fuel conditions, they didn't star race sim on 60kg of fuel for example and they didn't do a quali sim on 60kg of fuel. They had more fuel in the car than they would have in real qualifycation, but not 60kg.

And remember, this is all speculation. Maybe Ferrari had more fuel on board than Mercedes and Mercedes can't realy go faster? It is unprobable, but it coul be. Fortunatly we don't have to wait much longer to find out =D>

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Detailed statistics - Team and engine number of laps - https://maxf1.net/en/williams-bounces-b ... s-overall/

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tomazy wrote:
ClarkBT11 wrote:
tomazy wrote:
That is quite a speculation, Bottas most certanly was not on 60kg of fuel. Mercedes with full tanks (105 kg of fuel) was in low 1:25 in race simulations on soft tires, so no way 1:19.3 was done with 60kg of fuel. I would say he had max 20 kg of fuel, but that would mean that 10kg of fuel is more than 0.6s a lap and a potencial time of 1:18 flat or lower.
But it would make sense if Ferrari is potentially .5 quicker than the time Kimi posted and Mercedes have a .3-.5 advantage and Mercedes historically test with 60 kg fuel.
Mercedes tested on all sort of fuel conditions, they didn't star race sim on 60kg of fuel for example and they didn't do a quali sim on 60kg of fuel. They had more fuel in the car than they would have in real qualifycation, but not 60kg.

And remember, this is all speculation. Maybe Ferrari had more fuel on board than Mercedes and Mercedes can't realy go faster? It is unprobable, but it coul be. Fortunatly we don't have to wait much longer to find out =D>
Yes exactly, trying to read testing is just speculation to everybody unless you have all the data. I can't wait to find out either.

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giantfan10 wrote: This has become amusing now. where are all these numbers coming from? is there a mole in the Mercedes camp telling someone these numbers?
calm down Mercedes fans simple logic says they should still have an advantage so nitpicking at the Ferrari is basically you creating scenarios to back up your preconcieved notion.
Maybe if the Ferrari and/or RBR fans did a little research, they would see that the Merc fans didn't come up with these numbers.

Mark Hughes:
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opini ... ting-times

Andrew Benson: (couldn't find the actual article but i know it exists because i read it)
viewtopic.php?t=25963&start=1740#p682774

I would add, that from a mathematical stand point, if you have all the lap time & tire data, you can make some damn good estimations on what a car is actually capable of.
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duplicate post!
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ClarkBT11 wrote:Bottas's fastest testing time was 19.310 - 60 kg fuel (speculation) 10 kg fuel = 0.3 seconds x 6 = 1.8 seconds 19.310 - 1.8 = 17.510 potential fastest lap

Thanks to Mark4211 we know bottas was in strat 2 on his fastest lap which is Mercedes quali mode.
I am not sure if it was STRAT 2. I have captured two screen shots. Inlay picture is of Hamilton's pole lap from 2016 Spanish GP. Observe the STRAT 2 setting on the dial, marked between two red lines. Compare that to Bottas's fastest lap of testing. His dial setting is not as clear (a white mark) as it was with Lewis, but I have also marked it with 2 red lines. You can observe the angle difference in relation to Steering wheel top.

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Here is the wheel itself, with STRAT 1. If you draw two red lines similar to pictures above, how would that look like?
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Mark said when Bottas finished the lap he turned the "strat" 1 turn anti-clockwise to strat 1.

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Bottas definitely was on STRAT2 mode. What is their Q3 mode, START1 or 2?

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it's 2.

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dans79 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: This has become amusing now. where are all these numbers coming from? is there a mole in the Mercedes camp telling someone these numbers?
calm down Mercedes fans simple logic says they should still have an advantage so nitpicking at the Ferrari is basically you creating scenarios to back up your preconcieved notion.
Maybe if the Ferrari and/or RBR fans did a little research, they would see that the Merc fans didn't come up with these numbers.

Mark Hughes:
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opini ... ting-times

Andrew Benson: (couldn't find the actual article but i know it exists because i read it)
viewtopic.php?t=25963&start=1740#p682774

I would add, that from a mathematical stand point, if you have all the lap time & tire data, you can make some damn good estimations on what a car is actually capable of.
I fear Merc fans would give better numbers than those two people you posted! Lol

For those looking at the comparison with Bottas and Kimi it is clear as day Bottas is heavier. You can tell by his slightly delayed use of throttle and how he attacks with a slightly slower change of direction. How much heavier than the Ferrari is anyone's guess. But i believe the ferrari is a touch faster at this point which has little bearing on melbourne spec and setup either!
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dans79 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: This has become amusing now. where are all these numbers coming from? is there a mole in the Mercedes camp telling someone these numbers?
calm down Mercedes fans simple logic says they should still have an advantage so nitpicking at the Ferrari is basically you creating scenarios to back up your preconcieved notion.
Maybe if the Ferrari and/or RBR fans did a little research, they would see that the Merc fans didn't come up with these numbers.

Mark Hughes:
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opini ... ting-times

Andrew Benson: (couldn't find the actual article but i know it exists because i read it)
viewtopic.php?t=25963&start=1740#p682774

I would add, that from a mathematical stand point, if you have all the lap time & tire data, you can make some damn good estimations on what a car is actually capable of.
well i read the first article and i'll be honest with you its basically click bait. the auther said absolutely NOTHING .The word he used the most in his summary was "IF" that pretty much tells you all you need to know about that article.
Secondly, lap time and tire data means absolutely nothing when there are so many other variables involved... engine mode... driver intent.... setup.....fuel load and the list goes on.
Come qualifying in Australia we will know who is where when there is only one goal for all teams.... do the fastest lap you can possibly do period.