Politics in F1

[dans79]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

[ferkan]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

Everything is pretty clear in this case. Better hope Merc is not doing something funky with oil and combustion in Q3.

[Mr.G]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

Everything is pretty clear in this case. Better hope Merc is not doing something funky with oil and combustion in Q3.

Exactly

[AbbaleRacing77]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

I don't think its ridiculous that Ferrari want to make sure they are playing by the same rules.

[CBeck113]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

You're pretty offended by this, aren't you? Thank god Mercedes never did anything "special" to gain an advantage (coughtiretestcough), and that no other teams have question any rules (coughredbullengineoilburningcough). Please curb your fanboyism during technical discussions - thank you.

[santos]

Here we go:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1435898517

As expected, since Ferrari can't out develop their opponents, they have to play the BS politics card. Personally I hope Merc still pounds them into the ground.

A member of this forum, so well rated as you... i didn't expect a comment like this.

[dans79]

You're pretty offended by this, aren't you?

Nope, not at all. I find the way that Ferrari went about it sad and pitiful. For a team that hasn't won either championship in a decade, the word desperate is the first thing that comes to mind.

Thank god Mercedes never did anything "special" to gain an advantage (coughtiretestcough),

it's off topic, but you forgot an FIA officially signed off on it, and then the FIA changed its mind later.

and that no other teams have question any rules (coughredbullengineoilburningcough).

I see these as different, RBR has the guts to come out in the open and say we think this is going on and we want it investigated. They didn't hide behind some antiquated political letter.

[dans79]

A member of this forum, so well rated as you... i didn't expect a comment like this.

I detest cowardice, and that is what I see Ferrari's method of bringing up the topic as. The protest framework exists for this exact reason. If you think your opponents aren't following the rules, you step up and make it clear that you think they are breaking rule X.

[ferkan]

A member of this forum, so well rated as you... i didn't expect a comment like this.

I detest cowardice, and that is what I see Ferrari's method of bringing up the topic as. The protest framework exists for this exact reason. If you think your opponents aren't following the rules, you step up and make it clear that you think they are breaking rule X.

Lol and who sent FIA to check in Maranallo if there is anything funky going on with Haas loophole? Montezemelo or Merc/RBR? Acting like this is anything out of the ordinary. Get a grip man.

Btw it wasnt a protest. It was "inquiry" that obviously had merit.

[santos]

A member of this forum, so well rated as you... i didn't expect a comment like this.

I detest cowardice, and that is what I see Ferrari's method of bringing up the topic as. The protest framework exists for this exact reason. If you think your opponents aren't following the rules, you step up and make it clear that you think they are breaking rule X.

Rules must be the same for everyone. And if a team, any team, thinks it is something that is not so clear, asking for a clarification of the rules is not cowardice. It's a right they have. It is not the first time a team asks for clarification, and it is not just Ferrari who asked for it. And if the system does not really fit into the regulation, it would be cowardly not to report it.

[Big Mangalhit]

You're pretty offended by this, aren't you?

Nope, not at all. I find the way that Ferrari went about it sad and pitiful. For a team that hasn't won either championship in over a decade, the word desperate is the first thing that comes to mind.

Thank god Mercedes never did anything "special" to gain an advantage (coughtiretestcough),

it's off topic, but you forgot an FIA officially signed off on it, and then the FIA changed its mind later.

and that no other teams have question any rules (coughredbullengineoilburningcough).

I see these as different, RBR has the guts to come out in the open and say we think this is going on and we want it investigated. They didn't hide behind some antiquated political letter.

Actually Ferrari sent a letter asking clarification because they wanted to pursue the same suspension. Then the FIA said it was illegal. The rest is just press and people's interpretation (that ferrari did that to make the others' suspension illegal).

It would be way worse if the FIA had told Ferrari they couldn't develop that kind of suspension and then let other teams compete with that concept

[AnotherAlex]

I see these as different, RBR has the guts to come out in the open and say we think this is going on and we want it investigated. They didn't hide behind some antiquated political letter.

I think you have that backwards - Red Bull insinuated that Mercedes were burning oil as a fuel additive, resulting in widely publicised gossip on the subject, and when they didn't get the outcome they wanted, they wrote to the FIA "to seek clarification".
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 80005/?s=1

Ferrari seeking clarification on the suspension design well before the pre-season test, giving themselves and others time to react to the FIA's pronouncements, was positively gentlemanly by comparison.

[dans79]

Actually Ferrari sent a letter asking clarification because they wanted to pursue the same suspension. Then the FIA said it was illegal. The rest is just press and people's interpretation (that ferrari did that to make the others' suspension illegal).

It would be way worse if the FIA had told Ferrari they couldn't develop that kind of suspension and then let other teams compete with that concept

Something is still very shady.

If I asked you is this concept of mine legal, what would prompt you to decide that you should inspect every other competitors car?

In general I hate all the F1 politics, as it's always slimy and self serving.

[dans79]

Ferrari seeking clarification on the suspension design well before the pre-season test, giving themselves and others time to react to the FIA's pronouncements, was positively gentlemanly by comparison.

That makes no sense to me personally. If I think you (generalized you) are cheating, I'm not going to give you a way to weasel out of it. I'd be doing everything in my power to ensure you receive the maximum amount of punishment possible.

[FrukostScones]

Ferrari seeking clarification on the suspension design well before the pre-season test, giving themselves and others time to react to the FIA's pronouncements, was positively gentlemanly by comparison.

That makes no sense to me personally. If I think you (generalized you) are cheating, I'm not going to give you a way to weasel out of it. I'd be doing everything in my power to ensure you receive the maximum amount of punishment possible.

So you think there is no case? FIA is acting as Ferrari International Assistance? Oh man.