2017 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai 07-09 April

[godlameroso]

Guys chill, there won't be much fog Sunday save for the natural haze in the area. The fog comes in from the sea, the bigger the difference between ground and sea convection the greater the fog. With the overlapping fronts there won't be much. And the rain is expected to end around midday, the race starts at 2 pm local time.

[Shrieker]

Are we going to get any extra practice sessions tomorrow to make up for today's loss ?

[Phil]

I wouldn't think so, given FP3 is still on the table. They could perhaps extend the session, but given time till QF is limited, the would probably have to extend the session by starting earlier. So in other words... unlikely.

Race day is going to be chaos, especially if it is somewhat dry and teams will have little to no idea how tires will hold up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the race being decided by strategy and strategic errors.

[Artur Craft]

Will it rain on Saturday or will it be a fully dry day?

[godlameroso]

Expected to be dry.

[SparkyAMG]

1.) A hospital must be reached within 20 minutes (tested between FP1 and FP2 by the FIA and wasn't possible due to traffic)
2.) The designated hospital (I assume the one in Shanghai) must be accessible via helicopter

That's correct, and the chosen hospital must have neurological specialists based there that meet FIA's standards, which is why I think they have to use this particular hospital in Shanghai.

Hopefully the low clouds don't affect race day too!

[JonoNic]

1.) A hospital must be reached within 20 minutes (tested between FP1 and FP2 by the FIA and wasn't possible due to traffic)
2.) The designated hospital (I assume the one in Shanghai) must be accessible via helicopter

That's correct, and the chosen hospital must have neurological specialists based there that meet FIA's standards, which is why I think they have to use this particular hospital in Shanghai.

Hopefully the low clouds don't affect race day too!

Can't the FIA have travelling specialists on a pay roll and provide facilities at the track? Surely this can be done...

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[Wass85]

1.) A hospital must be reached within 20 minutes (tested between FP1 and FP2 by the FIA and wasn't possible due to traffic)
2.) The designated hospital (I assume the one in Shanghai) must be accessible via helicopter

That's correct, and the chosen hospital must have neurological specialists based there that meet FIA's standards, which is why I think they have to use this particular hospital in Shanghai.

Hopefully the low clouds don't affect race day too!

Why they can't have a state of the art medical centre at every race is beyond me.

[Artur Craft]

Expected to be dry.

Yeah, I googled and checked(sorry, I was lazy there, now I realise )

But the forecasts predicts a wet race, ie, Charlie will keep them running behind the SC until half points can be granted.

Have anyone else noticed how snappy those wet tyres are?

Only Carlos Sainz managed to recover his car, but on the very last moment. Haas drivers, Hulk(and maybe somebody else I'm forgetting) all had their cars going with no hope of recovery.

Tomorrow dry running will crazy(very busy) but I predict Hamilton will be on pole by 0.5s over Vettel because it has already been proven, by motorsport zone, that Mercedes remains a bit faster on the straights but Ferrari is already up there with them on the corners.

On Russia(specially on Barcelona), I guess Ferrari will be able to fight again.

PS: Yeah, it's a bit amateurish that F1 has to rely on third parties for medical support.

[bblundell72]

I don't understand everyone complaining that the FIA should operate a fully staffed trauma unit at every venue. Calling it “amateurish” is a bit silly as well. I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.

[JonoNic]

I don't understand everyone complaining that the FIA should operate a fully staffed trauma unit at every venue. Calling it “amateurish” is a bit silly as well. I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.

Having a fully staffed trauma unit is not silly. I disagree with you there buddy. This team will know everything about the drivers before anything happens to them. Also there's enough money to accommodate such a service.

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[1158]

Moving the race to Sat might actually work. The surface high over the Korean peninsula expands south as the first wave/front depart and the second approaches. This should increase mixing heights/transports winds enough to raise the visibility. Sun looks similar to Fri, with another weak surface wave/front moving in. Would be easier to know if the mixing height/transport winds increase enough if I had some vertical profile data but currently I don't have access to any. I've seen similar patterns on wildfires where during the transition day the visibility increases and the smoke mixes out.

There won't be the same kind of fog we saw in fp1 and 2. Remember Shanghai is close to the sea, in this case the difference between sea and land convection is reduced by the overlapping fronts.

The pollution and the lack of mixing/transport winds is the main culprit. Convection would be a good thing, except it isn't going to be strong enough. Another weak frontal zone moves in Sun and so the mixing is likely going to drop off again. The key is the weakness or the surface features. Yeah if the front was strong you'd get good mixing but these fronts/waves have been too weak. I see it forecasting on wildfires all the time.

[bblundell72]

I don't understand everyone complaining that the FIA should operate a fully staffed trauma unit at every venue. Calling it “amateurish” is a bit silly as well. I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.

Having a fully staffed trauma unit is not silly. I disagree with you there buddy. This team will know everything about the drivers before anything happens to them. Also there's enough money to accommodate such a service.

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Unless you are in the business of building hospitals or emergency rooms I don't think either of us are qualified to make the claim "there's enough money to accommodate such a service."

The FIA DOES have a medical staff that remains constant and travels with the teams to each GP. They do get information from the teams in the case of an accident to aid in providing care for the driver on site.

[motobaleno]

I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

Clinica mobile in motoGP
to be honest the presence of clinica mobile in motoGP (that is an abolsute medical excellence)
is largely due to the efforts of a single ("mad") man: Claudio Costa

[bblundell72]

I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

Clinica mobile in motoGP
to be honest the presence of clinica mobile in motoGP (that is an abolsute medical excellence)
is largely due to the efforts of a single ("mad") man: Claudio Costa

Clinica Mobile that travels with MotoGP is an excellent first response but is far from a trauma center and does not come close to having the facilities offered by a hospital nor does it meet the neurological requirements that the designated hospital within 20 minutes of an F1 event is required to meet.