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Fernando Alonso's charge for victory at the Indianapolis 500 mile race was halted by a Honda engine failure on lap 180 or 200. The Spaniard impressed with solid driving, and remained in the hunt throughout the entire race, but just like in F1, an engine failure prevented him to finish. 20 laps later, former F1 driver Takuma Sato won the 101st running on the Indy500.
So you replied to say pretty much what I just said?Manoah2u wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 19:04lol, he finished the Spanish GP, did debriefing, did some PR work, had some dinner, did some excersize (standard), boarded a plane to the states, landed, had some sleep, and at 9 sharp he had to step into the AndrettIndyClaren to do the test, which he topped. 3 mph to gain is nothing. As for experience; he has driven on the F1 indy track before, and given, that is different, it's not like it's all completely new territory. He's argued to still be one of the 3 best drivers in the world right now. He's the most experienced F1 driver on the grid right now. He's undoubtedly done plenty of hours of simulation work.DiogoBrand wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 07:59Alonso is an incredible driver, I don't think that's latest news, but Indycar is a totally different animal to F1, and the difference from oval to road is even bigger, so I expect him to do well for a rookie but not too much beyond that. He still has 3mph to gain, and the latest are certainly the most difficult, and even if he's the best driver on the circuit, which wouldn't surprise me, his lack of experience will play a big part.
Not only it's a completely different car on a completely different type of circuit, it's also the most extreme race of the series. It would be amazing to see him win, but I don't expect any performance beyond "that's really impressive for a rookie".
One interesting feature I just found out about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
I mean, we just can't expect a driver to master this sort of thing in two weeks time, when others have several years' experience.
As for the different car, different circuit; we just have stepped from an old design format to a different design format which essentially brings a totally different car than last year.
and 'thats impressive for a rookie'? really, Alonso a rookie? no.
Alonso will do well, very well, of that i'm sure.
It's funny how negative people already are.
Graham hill actually won the indy. i don't get the fuss why it would be so 'impossible' for a multiple WDC who is argualy one of THE best out there not just now, but for decades in F1, a driver that was able to beat Schumacher,
a driver who is still bringing in a dog of a car miles ahead of his teammate.
I can also mention a certain other F1 driver that switched the other way around; coming from Champ Car, Indy, etc. Juan Pablo Montoya. He competed in F1 on the highest level, for the WDC, despite it supposedly being 'so different'. Did fantastic, is one of the legends of F1, and then went back and did great still. Jaques Villeneuve, another one who became a champion in F1, and then went back if i'm correct after a couple of years in f1.
I'm reading a lot of armchair engineers here that have written him off before he's good and sound in a indy car. jeesh.Why be so sore?
I sincerely hope Alonso will win it. I don't expect it at all, it would be insane if he does it. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen. He can definately be very far up ahead, but to win on his first inception? I don't know if Graham managed to win it on his first try though, and what were the circumstances. It is possible though.
Hulkenberg won le mans, and i think he's a great driver, but not the calibre of Alonso. Yet he stepped into Le Mans, and won. Yes he has WEC experience. Still, he went from F1 to a le mans Win during a F1 season.
Why then wouldn't Alonso be able to win Indy?
And speaking about that, i'm sure if Alonso is given the proper vehicle, he can win Le Mans just as much as Hulkenberg did.
Totally agree. And don't forget that Nigel Mansell went and won the Indycar (or whatever it was called at the time) championship on his first go...Manoah2u wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 19:04lol, he finished the Spanish GP, did debriefing, did some PR work, had some dinner, did some excersize (standard), boarded a plane to the states, landed, had some sleep, and at 9 sharp he had to step into the AndrettIndyClaren to do the test, which he topped. 3 mph to gain is nothing. As for experience; he has driven on the F1 indy track before, and given, that is different, it's not like it's all completely new territory. He's argued to still be one of the 3 best drivers in the world right now. He's the most experienced F1 driver on the grid right now. He's undoubtedly done plenty of hours of simulation work.DiogoBrand wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 07:59Alonso is an incredible driver, I don't think that's latest news, but Indycar is a totally different animal to F1, and the difference from oval to road is even bigger, so I expect him to do well for a rookie but not too much beyond that. He still has 3mph to gain, and the latest are certainly the most difficult, and even if he's the best driver on the circuit, which wouldn't surprise me, his lack of experience will play a big part.
Not only it's a completely different car on a completely different type of circuit, it's also the most extreme race of the series. It would be amazing to see him win, but I don't expect any performance beyond "that's really impressive for a rookie".
One interesting feature I just found out about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
I mean, we just can't expect a driver to master this sort of thing in two weeks time, when others have several years' experience.
As for the different car, different circuit; we just have stepped from an old design format to a different design format which essentially brings a totally different car than last year.
and 'thats impressive for a rookie'? really, Alonso a rookie? no.
Alonso will do well, very well, of that i'm sure.
It's funny how negative people already are.
Graham hill actually won the indy. i don't get the fuss why it would be so 'impossible' for a multiple WDC who is argualy one of THE best out there not just now, but for decades in F1, a driver that was able to beat Schumacher,
a driver who is still bringing in a dog of a car miles ahead of his teammate.
I can also mention a certain other F1 driver that switched the other way around; coming from Champ Car, Indy, etc. Juan Pablo Montoya. He competed in F1 on the highest level, for the WDC, despite it supposedly being 'so different'. Did fantastic, is one of the legends of F1, and then went back and did great still. Jaques Villeneuve, another one who became a champion in F1, and then went back if i'm correct after a couple of years in f1.
I'm reading a lot of armchair engineers here that have written him off before he's good and sound in a indy car. jeesh.
I sincerely hope Alonso will win it. I don't expect it at all, it would be insane if he does it. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen. He can definately be very far up ahead, but to win on his first inception? I don't know if Graham managed to win it on his first try though, and what were the circumstances. It is possible though.
Hulkenberg won le mans, and i think he's a great driver, but not the calibre of Alonso. Yet he stepped into Le Mans, and won. Yes he has WEC experience. Still, he went from F1 to a le mans Win during a F1 season.
Why then wouldn't Alonso be able to win Indy?
And speaking about that, i'm sure if Alonso is given the proper vehicle, he can win Le Mans just as much as Hulkenberg did.
Yes, but it is no longer "the old days". Not who is the fastest driver defines who will win, they are too close for that. The driver with the best tire and fuel strategy will win.adrianjordan wrote: ↑17 May 2017, 09:24Totally agree. And don't forget that Nigel Mansell went and won the Indycar (or whatever it was called at the time) championship on his first go...Manoah2u wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 19:04lol, he finished the Spanish GP, did debriefing, did some PR work, had some dinner, did some excersize (standard), boarded a plane to the states, landed, had some sleep, and at 9 sharp he had to step into the AndrettIndyClaren to do the test, which he topped. 3 mph to gain is nothing. As for experience; he has driven on the F1 indy track before, and given, that is different, it's not like it's all completely new territory. He's argued to still be one of the 3 best drivers in the world right now. He's the most experienced F1 driver on the grid right now. He's undoubtedly done plenty of hours of simulation work.DiogoBrand wrote: ↑16 May 2017, 07:59Alonso is an incredible driver, I don't think that's latest news, but Indycar is a totally different animal to F1, and the difference from oval to road is even bigger, so I expect him to do well for a rookie but not too much beyond that. He still has 3mph to gain, and the latest are certainly the most difficult, and even if he's the best driver on the circuit, which wouldn't surprise me, his lack of experience will play a big part.
Not only it's a completely different car on a completely different type of circuit, it's also the most extreme race of the series. It would be amazing to see him win, but I don't expect any performance beyond "that's really impressive for a rookie".
One interesting feature I just found out about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndY4F6YUmvU
I mean, we just can't expect a driver to master this sort of thing in two weeks time, when others have several years' experience.
As for the different car, different circuit; we just have stepped from an old design format to a different design format which essentially brings a totally different car than last year.
and 'thats impressive for a rookie'? really, Alonso a rookie? no.
Alonso will do well, very well, of that i'm sure.
It's funny how negative people already are.
Graham hill actually won the indy. i don't get the fuss why it would be so 'impossible' for a multiple WDC who is argualy one of THE best out there not just now, but for decades in F1, a driver that was able to beat Schumacher,
a driver who is still bringing in a dog of a car miles ahead of his teammate.
I can also mention a certain other F1 driver that switched the other way around; coming from Champ Car, Indy, etc. Juan Pablo Montoya. He competed in F1 on the highest level, for the WDC, despite it supposedly being 'so different'. Did fantastic, is one of the legends of F1, and then went back and did great still. Jaques Villeneuve, another one who became a champion in F1, and then went back if i'm correct after a couple of years in f1.
I'm reading a lot of armchair engineers here that have written him off before he's good and sound in a indy car. jeesh.
I sincerely hope Alonso will win it. I don't expect it at all, it would be insane if he does it. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen. He can definately be very far up ahead, but to win on his first inception? I don't know if Graham managed to win it on his first try though, and what were the circumstances. It is possible though.
Hulkenberg won le mans, and i think he's a great driver, but not the calibre of Alonso. Yet he stepped into Le Mans, and won. Yes he has WEC experience. Still, he went from F1 to a le mans Win during a F1 season.
Why then wouldn't Alonso be able to win Indy?
And speaking about that, i'm sure if Alonso is given the proper vehicle, he can win Le Mans just as much as Hulkenberg did.
