2017 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 26-28 May

[Fulcrum]

Raikkonen vs Vettel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcam7TvhEjY

It looks like Raikkonen was better in a couple of the extremely slow corners, Mirabeau in particular.

Heading into Mirabeau Raikkonen was a couple of car lengths behind Vettel; Vettel's front wheels are on the front edge of the pedestrian crossing as seen from Raikkonen's camera.


Heading toward the hairpin, Raikkonen is possibly in front of Vettel.


That one corner earned Raikkonen pole. Throughout the remainder of the lap Vettel, Bottas and Raikkonen were approximately matched, although Raikkonen appeared to generate better traction out of the slow corners, with Vettel carrying more entry speed into turn 1.

It should be an interesting race, although I anticipate Vettel will win.

[Stormy]

I just hope Ferrari won't mess up Kimi's strategy to make Seb the winner in order to maximize gains against Lewis. If Kimi is fast enough and doesn't hold up Seb, the team should let him win.

[Artur Craft]

This year's cars are way faster than say 2004. However, we still haven't seen broken track records during race. Is this because there is no refueling now and the cars are heavier during race?

Cornering-wise, this year's cars are slower than several F1 cars from previous years. The advantage that they have to be "artificially" fast on QLF is DRS and a PU on very high fuel flow(100kg/h) which, obviously, cannot be used in the race otherwise they would be out of fuel after 1 hour(but, IIRC, the regulation doesn't allow 100kg/h fuel flow on the race at all, that is, at any moment, and that's why RB was punished on Melbourne 2014). Hope I didn't say any nonsense about the fuel flow because I didn't follow this topic on the last couple of years

[iotar__]

I just hope Ferrari won't mess up Kimi's strategy to make Seb the winner in order to maximize gains against Lewis. If Kimi is fast enough and doesn't hold up Seb, the team should let him win.

A. Why would pace be decisive? Why would 'holding' matter, are these some new rules to justify Hamilton's team orders? It's Monaco and hypothetically for the race win. No need for BS pace excuses.
B. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you but we'll see. I bet they're counting on 'natural' events and situation clearing itself up. Bad start would be the easiest solution . Bit of wheelspin, although it could be dangerous (collision) for both.

As for Ferrari they certainly weren't 0,002 or 0,05 in front of Merc, it was much more than that and the story should be about four very poor performances (Ferrari drivers, Ham, Ver) and one very good (Bottas). The problem with that is that it doesn't match the made up Vettel Ham battle script they're ploughing through with no matter what happens every single race this season.

[SectorOne]

All three were busy with tire tests last year, only one has really understood them.

From reports I read at the time, Ferrari were busiest (Seb especially) and they obviously made the biggest effort to replicate downforce levels with their testing mule. Even they didn't do it fully, but they must have been closest with that big and high-up rear wing...

From the reports i read at the time it was actually Red Bull that replicated the downforce levels needed.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on the tests done with development tires to be honest.

[Tommy Cookers]

[quote="Artur Craft"]
Cornering-wise, this year's cars are slower than several F1 cars from previous years. The advantage that they have to be "artificially" fast on QLF is DRS and a PU on very high fuel flow(100kg/h) which, obviously, cannot be used in the race otherwise they would be out of fuel after 1 hour(but, IIRC, the regulation doesn't allow 100kg/h fuel flow on the race at all, that is, at any moment, and that's why RB was punished on Melbourne 2014). Hope I didn't say any nonsense about the fuel flow because I didn't follow this topic on the last couple of years[/quote]

because the straights are eg not 200 miles long the 100kg/hr works in the races
eg Monte Carlo presumably has less than 60% of the racetime spent at true full power 100 kg/hr and is not a fuel-greedy track

fwiw I agree re RB 2014 because the rate limiting technology is less than perfect but the FIA likes to act the omnipotent deity
at 500 bar the fuel has been compressed about 4% in volume but the meter doesn't measure there


afaik qually is best done with the wastegate open and the compressor driven full-lap from the ES on energy stored the previous lap

[giantfan10]

Bit of a Monaco shake up! Fascinated to see how the race plays out this evening, we've had more than a few surprises this season and this could certainly be another.
Thrilled for Kimi to take pole, he's looked in good shape all weekend and I've been a fan for near his whole career. It's also great to see sportsmen retire in good form, rather than slowly fade away and be forgotten.
Lewis has a tough race ahead of him, I hope the team can sort his car out so he can work his way back into the points, we may even see some overtaking

Does anyone else read the press quotes in the persons voice? Seb, Kimi, Toto etc

The team cannot sort anything out.. they are not allowed to change any settings on the car bar a few things like tire pressure and front wing adjustable flaps....not sure that would be enough

[Stormy]

This year's cars are way faster than say 2004. However, we still haven't seen broken track records during race. Is this because there is no refueling now and the cars are heavier during race?

Cornering-wise, this year's cars are slower than several F1 cars from previous years. The advantage that they have to be "artificially" fast on QLF is DRS and a PU on very high fuel flow(100kg/h) which, obviously, cannot be used in the race otherwise they would be out of fuel after 1 hour(but, IIRC, the regulation doesn't allow 100kg/h fuel flow on the race at all, that is, at any moment, and that's why RB was punished on Melbourne 2014). Hope I didn't say any nonsense about the fuel flow because I didn't follow this topic on the last couple of years

I see. thanks for the elaboration. I guess the new cars are only faster in qualy then. V10 cars from the early 2000 era still owns race pace.

[Vanja #66]

From the reports i read at the time it was actually Red Bull that replicated the downforce levels needed.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on the tests done with development tires to be honest.

I'm actually checking what other people think of this, but of Mercedes, since I got an impression that they didn't commit to those as much as SF and RB and perhaps that's where these troubles come from. That said, I didn't pay that much attention to F1 last year, had to many other stuff to finish, so me being wrong about this is more than likely...

[DiogoBrand]

Do you guys have any info on tyre durability for race simulations?

[Frafer]

Do you guys have any info on tyre durability for race simulations?

40000 km, rotating them half way through, like every Pirelli p7.. just kidding, ultra and super can easly last all the race

[turbof1]

Bit of a Monaco shake up! Fascinated to see how the race plays out this evening, we've had more than a few surprises this season and this could certainly be another.
Thrilled for Kimi to take pole, he's looked in good shape all weekend and I've been a fan for near his whole career. It's also great to see sportsmen retire in good form, rather than slowly fade away and be forgotten.
Lewis has a tough race ahead of him, I hope the team can sort his car out so he can work his way back into the points, we may even see some overtaking

Does anyone else read the press quotes in the persons voice? Seb, Kimi, Toto etc

The team cannot sort anything out.. they are not allowed to change any settings on the car bar a few things like tire pressure and front wing adjustable flaps....not sure that would be enough

They can make changes, but on the condition Hamilton starts from the pitlane.

[turbof1]

And the award of funniest driver duo of the paddock goes to...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pDcU4t4KBRM&dummy=1

(With thanks to TurboF1 for letting me know the solution for embedding a youtube clip )

Happy to be of any help.

[DiogoBrand]

Do you guys have any info on tyre durability for race simulations?

40000 km, rotating them half way through, like every Pirelli p7.. just kidding, ultra and super can easly last all the race

That seems reasonable, since even last year's tires could last almost for the entire race.
So I was thinking: The best strategy for Hamilton would be to pit early to get out in front of all the slow cars after they pit? I mean, if he does that he'll probably catch up to the backmarkers quite fast and be held up anyway, but that will happen wether he pits early or not.

[matt_b]

Do you guys have any info on tyre durability for race simulations?

Both tyres can last all race, a driver with 77 lap old tyes could probably keep a car with 1 lap old tyres behind because of these new cars and that its monaco