2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

[WaikeCU]

The cars are more draggier than last year, so you can expect a tow and DRS to play bigger role this year. Unlike last year, cars with higher downforce levels, would get a good exit from the last corner. If I remember correct, it was only Force India that was difficult to overtake here. Renault and Honda are going to be sitting ducks here. We can expect Mercedes/Ferrari followed by Force India (because they exit the slow corners better) and then Williams.

If one really believes what @Juzh has been telling from the beginning of the season, Mercedes energy story should have more juice than Ferrari for this long straight. Let's see who produces more power. This track should clearly answer that. Expecting to see THE LEANEST rear wing on Red Bull.

What did Juzh tell us? Haven't been around here that much this season.

That even though Ferrari's total power output might be similar to mercedes (or by small chance even surpass it), the amount of time they can sustain that level is still nowhere near merc's capabilities, and it will show on this track, as it has numerous times already this season.

Might be similar: yes, but I think it puts all the engine bits under more stress than the Merc does. That's what I think. A grid penalty will be inevitable for the Ferrari's is what I think sooner or later. German engineering quality seems to be sublime they say.

[Just_a_fan]

German engineering quality seems to be sublime they say.

That would British "Germans" then would it? You do know the engines are made in Britain by a group that started out as Ilmor, don't you?

Whilst the Mercedes team is undoubtedly multi-national, the majority of the staff are British.

[WaikeCU]

German engineering quality seems to be sublime they say.

That would British "Germans" then would it? You do know the engines are made in Britain by a group that started out as Ilmor, don't you?

Whilst the Mercedes team is undoubtedly multi-national, the majority of the staff are British.

So it's nothing German about it? Only the nametag is?

What I'm trying to say is, is it engineered German wise and put together by Brits?

[Vasconia]

German engineering quality seems to be sublime they say.

That would British "Germans" then would it? You do know the engines are made in Britain by a group that started out as Ilmor, don't you?

Whilst the Mercedes team is undoubtedly multi-national, the majority of the staff are British.

So it's nothing German about it? Only the nametag is?

What I'm trying to say is, is it engineered German wise and put together by Brits?

I was pretty sure that the PU was designed in Germany, while the rest was in the UK. But I could be wrong.

[Just_a_fan]

Ilmor supplied "Mercedes" branded engines for years from Brixworth in the UK. Mercedes (Daimler) eventually bought Ilmor and renamed it MHPE and subsequently incorporated the AMG branding. They employ over 400 people at Brixworth and they design, manufacture and develop the entire power unit at the site (barring any specialist subcontracted work I guess).

[WaikeCU]

Ilmor supplied "Mercedes" branded engines for years from Brixworth in the UK. Mercedes (Daimler) eventually bought Ilmor and renamed it MHPE and subsequently incorporated the AMG branding. They employ over 400 people at Brixworth and they design, manufacture and develop the entire power unit at the site (barring any specialist subcontracted work I guess).

Okay, I understand now. So I meant THOSE engines are made with sublime quality and thus hardly break down as we have seen in the past. Actually we hardly see Merc engines breaking down, bar Bottas this season and Hamilton last season.

[Jordan44]

That would British "Germans" then would it? You do know the engines are made in Britain by a group that started out as Ilmor, don't you?

Whilst the Mercedes team is undoubtedly multi-national, the majority of the staff are British.

So it's nothing German about it? Only the nametag is?

What I'm trying to say is, is it engineered German wise and put together by Brits?

I was pretty sure that the PU was designed in Germany, while the rest was in the UK. But I could be wrong.

The engine is designed at the Merc HPP Powertrain facility in Brixworth, UK. Lead by Andy Cowell, a Brit.

[PlatinumZealot]

For public perceptions Mercedes HPP being "German" serves Mercedes better I guess. Sells more cars. And actually it sells more "German engineering" like it or not.

[ferkan]

This will be walk in park for Merc.

[Manoah2u]

Let's - for the sake of a Ferrari vs Mercedes battle till the very very last race - hope so

i think this season is going to end up in having similar ends like that of Massa finding out he lost the WDC to Hamilton in the last corner in the last lap - but it's gonna be Hamilton losing out to Vettel this time,
OR we're going to see Vettel finding out he lost the WDC to Hamilton like Alonso lost with Ferrari to Vettel when he couldn't pass Petrov in the Renault (oh the irony if Vettel will be stuck behind Alonso instead).

[SectorOne]

That even though Ferrari's total power output might be similar to mercedes (or by small chance even surpass it), the amount of time they can sustain that level is still nowhere near merc's capabilities, and it will show on this track, as it has numerous times already this season.

Do you have any data on this?

[Juzh]

That even though Ferrari's total power output might be similar to mercedes (or by small chance even surpass it), the amount of time they can sustain that level is still nowhere near merc's capabilities, and it will show on this track, as it has numerous times already this season.

Do you have any data on this?

Yes. And if you've watched closely all the races this year (as in live timings and all that stuff, onboards..) you'd get a pretty clear picture.

[justmoi]

Interesting 'theory'. Just out of curiosity, in what race this season have we seen ferrari gradually dropping off mercedes pace in an apparently unsustainable power deficit?

Do you have any data on this to show?

[justmoi]

Oh just to add, I do have the official F1 app with a monthly subscription and I follow live timing every race

[Just_a_fan]

For public perceptions Mercedes HPP being "German" serves Mercedes better I guess. Sells more cars. And actually it sells more "German engineering" like it or not.

The whole team, not just the engine bit. I'm sure the people working there get used to being referred to as a German team as they cross the road and pop in to Tescos to buy a sandwich for lunch...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Mer ... -1.1447346

We regularly see team personnel in there when we're getting our weekly groceries.