2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[fabian77]

Can you send me the telemetry you have showing Hamilton braked?

Yes because I have live Mercedes Telemetry on my computer

As said it was shown on a replay on tv but as always Sky jumps to Lewis' defense as he never does anything wrong.

Sure it wasn't the nicest thing to do but ham is entitled to set the pace of the pack and vet is required to follow. Considering that they've raced for 10 years vet should know what his antics are and at the very least be cognisant of it. Vet's response if proven true is worse than Schumacher in 97 because it was premeditated and not as instinctive

wasn't quoting you Diesel

[dans79]

Haha like if this discussion on a UK forum has any use, I'd say Hamilton should be punished

It's not a UK forum

And I believe their are more non British members than British.

[NathanOlder]

How can Vettel say "He brake tested me so what does he expect"

To me it sounds like if you brake test someone (which Lewis didnt) you are then allowed to ram the guy

[Sonador]

Gutted for Hamilton, and Verstappen aswell.

Ricciardo having incredible amounts of luck the past races, maybe he is carrying a Lucky horse shoe in his RB13?

Vettel i have no words for, should have gotten black flagged for his behaviour on track.
Also his explenation was just childlike, and laughable, what a joke .....

Maybe Verstappen schould be in that lead Ferari battling Hamilton ....

[fabian77]

In the onboard it shows Hamilton's brake light flickered momentarily as he negotiated the corner but it appears he just did not accelerate. Vettel should at least receive a reprimand fir this, it sets a very poor example to others.

Small correction for you...there is no brake light on f1 cars. Ham was harvesting electricity, but yes I agree that vet needs a post race penalty of some sort as well, preferably points and maybe even grid demotions next race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpyAShqeH4

Watch Hamilton dangerously did not accelerate after the corner, if he was harvesting energy he would still be accelerating, I think Hamilton should be given a penalty post race, grid penalty or otherwise.

[ferkan]

Only who should be pissed about it is Vettel since his stupid behaveor cost him race win. Hamilton has gone untouched, his team got the better of him today.

[Sevach]

My opinion is Hamilton reduced his speed in quite a bad spot, downhill, right after the apex of the corner.

Vettel behaved like an idiot in response.

[i70q7m7ghw]

In the onboard it shows Hamilton's brake light flickered momentarily as he negotiated the corner but it appears he just did not accelerate. Vettel should at least receive a reprimand fir this, it sets a very poor example to others.

Small correction for you...there is no brake light on f1 cars. Ham was harvesting electricity, but yes I agree that vet needs a post race penalty of some sort as well, preferably points and maybe even grid demotions next race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpyAShqeH4

Watch Hamilton dangerously did not accelerate after the corner, if he was harvesting energy he would still be accelerating, I think Hamilton should be given a penalty post race, grid penalty or otherwise.

The driver has no control over harvesting, you can't penalise the driver because his car was harvesting.

[dans79]

In the onboard it shows Hamilton's brake light flickered momentarily as he negotiated the corner but it appears he just did not accelerate. Vettel should at least receive a reprimand fir this, it sets a very poor example to others.

Small correction for you...there is no brake light on f1 cars. Ham was harvesting electricity, but yes I agree that vet needs a post race penalty of some sort as well, preferably points and maybe even grid demotions next race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpyAShqeH4

Watch Hamilton dangerously did not accelerate after the corner, if he was harvesting energy he would still be accelerating, I think Hamilton should be given a penalty post race, grid penalty or otherwise.

Not at all, the tolerances on a Formula 1 engine are so tight, that you will decelerate unless you are at a few percentage points of throttle.

[DarkSurferZA]

Ok, F1 cars don't harvest under acceleration or coasting. The light is usually used as a warning light indicating rain or other adverse visibility conditions, pit lane or that the car is not deploying energy as it had previously been. So it was either the light was flashing under SC or Hamilton deployed and came off power.

Ham was dangerous, he went round the corner in 2nd and dropped to first on exit. That would explain the braking Vettel described.

I also don't think Vettel intended to crash but I think he was trying to scare Hamilton into moving off his spot. Both ways though, that was a disgraceful manuvere and the penalty on track is fitting, although some points on his license may be required too

Sent from my SM-T815 using Tapatalk

[WaikeCU]

Im sure that happened here last year in GP2. The lead car had to slow as he caught the safety car

The whole situation has been created by a circuit that is simply not fit for purpose. It's a terrible circuit and it has no place on the F1 calendar.

It's imo the most dangerous circuit on the calendar and just for what? Promote the city, the country? If that's the main reason, then you should scrap the plan to race there, because it adds simply nothing to racing.

The only solution to this besides not racing there, is to have the safety car drive off track at a certain part of the last section, like an opening in a barrier at a run off area where it leads back to the paddock/pitlane.

[wickedz50]

Most bizzare of incident. The mind games went on an overflow. Vettel lost his mind and the incidents that followed is unthinkable.
Seb needs to introspect,

[fabian77]

Small correction for you...there is no brake light on f1 cars. Ham was harvesting electricity, but yes I agree that vet needs a post race penalty of some sort as well, preferably points and maybe even grid demotions next race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpyAShqeH4

Watch Hamilton dangerously did not accelerate after the corner, if he was harvesting energy he would still be accelerating, I think Hamilton should be given a penalty post race, grid penalty or otherwise.

The driver has no control over harvesting, you can't penalise the driver because his car was harvesting.

Harvesting would not stop you from accelerating, you just would not be able to use the ERS which they wouldnt since they are under safety car so no excuse.

[GoodYearGrip]

Colliding twice with the leader is just unacceptable. The leader sets the pace.

Waike, one collision is by accident, the second is purposefully and with spite. Therefore, he should have been black flagged/ DSQ.

[i70q7m7ghw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVpyAShqeH4

Watch Hamilton dangerously did not accelerate after the corner, if he was harvesting energy he would still be accelerating, I think Hamilton should be given a penalty post race, grid penalty or otherwise.

The driver has no control over harvesting, you can't penalise the driver because his car was harvesting.

Harvesting would not stop you from accelerating, you just would not be able to use the ERS which they wouldnt since they are under safety car so no excuse.

That's not how harvesting (and physics) work, time you went back to school son.