2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[ChrisM40]

It seems Hamilton lost 7kph between corner entry and exit. You dont lose 7kph in these cars by braking, even lightly, you lose a whole hell of a lot more. Even a full lift would lose you more than that, even 25% lift. Vettel simply wasnt paying attention, or miss timed it.

Its not the first time he has done this, and its not the first time he was got all huffy about it either.

Right....He lost more than that, at one point he slowed down to 49 kph.

On screen telemetry isnt in real time, it can be anything up to a second out of sync, and sometimes just completely wrong.

Either way he is fully entitled to do so, its up to the following cars not to hit him. Even if he lost 50kph, thats not a excuse to run into him.

[turbof1]

Either way he is fully entitled to do so, its up to the following cars not to hit him. Even if he lost 50kph, thats not a excuse to run into him.

In this case Hamilton was entitled to it yes. However, there's a limit to it. Too much of a delta in speed and you'll end up with the field bunching up and chain colliding into one another. Steven pointed out the speed difference was 15 kph. That's totally fine. I don't feel 50kph is fine.

[FrukostScones]

I think HAM was -5 today. But VET was at least -15.
HAM braked shortly after the apex, unecessarily. Borlerline dirty.
VET went batshit. And just Platin disgustingly silly. Easy black flag. just heard that HAM now wants a manly fist fight? OMG, this Telenovela never fails to deliver. : D

[foxmulder_ms]

This is OUTRAGEOUS, Vettel can do whatever he wants apparently:

Couple races ago it is proven that Vettel can start where-ever he wants. Grid spot borders mean squat.

Next level: If you crash into someone you only get 10 second penalty, of course if you name is Vettel.

This is seriously BS, what can be a more serious act??? If Vettel's action did not deserve disqualification what action would???? Pure travesty..

Bias much? Of course he deserved the penalty for bumping. But what caused his outrage did the same... Hamilton's braketesting

Look at the mirror at repeat that. Braketest or not that is NOT the issue. Vettel rammed another car intentionally[/b]. That deserves disqualification even race bans, period.

[Jolle]

I think HAM was -5 today. But VET was at least -15.
HAM braked shortly after the apex, unecessarily. Borlerline dirty.
VET went batshit. And just Platin disgustingly silly. Easy black flag. just heard that HAM now wants a manly fist fight? OMG, this Telenovela never fails to deliver. : D

The Hamilton fistfight quote from was as a reaction on Vettel’s opinion that this is how men settle it on track. “If he wants to settle it like men, meet me outside”.

Hamilton is a pretty decent amateur boxer by the way. Vettel plays batminton.

[WaikeCU]

This is OUTRAGEOUS, Vettel can do whatever he wants apparently:

Couple races ago it is proven that Vettel can start where-ever he wants. Grid spot borders mean squat.

Next level: If you crash into someone you only get 10 second penalty, of course if you name is Vettel.

This is seriously BS, what can be a more serious act??? If Vettel's action did not deserve disqualification what action would???? Pure travesty..

Bias much? Of course he deserved the penalty for bumping. But what caused his outrage did the same... Hamilton's braketesting

What's in a word?

How did Hamilton braketested Vettel, when he didn't use his brakes? So 'braketest' minus brakes means he only 'tested' Vettel.

[ChrisM40]

Either way he is fully entitled to do so, its up to the following cars not to hit him. Even if he lost 50kph, thats not a excuse to run into him.

In this case Hamilton was entitled to it yes. However, there's a limit to it. Too much of a delta in speed and you'll end up with the field bunching up and chain colliding into one another. Steven pointed out the speed difference was 15 kph. That's totally fine. I don't feel 50kph is fine.

Your feelings are irrelevant, and it wasnt 50kph anyway.
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 2329413632

[turbof1]

Either way he is fully entitled to do so, its up to the following cars not to hit him. Even if he lost 50kph, thats not a excuse to run into him.

In this case Hamilton was entitled to it yes. However, there's a limit to it. Too much of a delta in speed and you'll end up with the field bunching up and chain colliding into one another. Steven pointed out the speed difference was 15 kph. That's totally fine. I don't feel 50kph is fine.

Your feelings are irrelevant.

Auch .

Note how Benson describes it: did not lift off completely, implying a partial lift which easily can result in a loss of 15kph. Again, that perfectly entitled to what Hamilton is allowed to. Just trying to get things straight what really happened. So no braking, just partial lifting 15 kph down.

[LionKing]

On the images posted in the last page, look at each image and we can see the "red" brakes ON, again and again.

[NathanOlder]

What it does mean is that Lewis DID NOT BRAKE TEST vettel. So shut up guys saying he did!

[NathanOlder]

On the images posted in the last page, look at each image and we can see the "red" brakes ON, again and again.

And what has also been said is, The screen graphics can be out of sync

[Edax]

This is OUTRAGEOUS, Vettel can do whatever he wants apparently:

Couple races ago it is proven that Vettel can start where-ever he wants. Grid spot borders mean squat.

Next level: If you crash into someone you only get 10 second penalty, of course if you name is Vettel.

This is seriously BS, what can be a more serious act??? If Vettel's action did not deserve disqualification what action would???? Pure travesty..

Bias much? Of course he deserved the penalty for bumping. But what caused his outrage did the same... Hamilton's braketesting

Look at the mirror at repeat that. Braketest or not that is NOT the issue. Vettel rammed another car intentionally[/b]. That deserves disqualification even race bans, period.

Maybe vettel is aspiring a career in Nascar

But seriously, you're right what may or may not have happened between Vettel and Hamilton before is completely irrelevant to Vettel sideswiping Hamilton.

This one of the most stupid moves I have seen in almost 40 years watching F1. In any other race series this would be an instant DSQ for unsportmanslike driving. It would not surprise me if the FIA is looking for a backdoor to raise the penalty.

[LionKing]

On the images posted in the last page, look at each image and we can see the "red" brakes ON, again and again.

And what has also been said is, The screen graphics can be out of sync

It is not just in one of them, it is red in ALL of them. It has to be couple of seconds out of sync and also indicating the car brake somewhere else well before the corner. That does not make sense either...

[Shrieker]

How can Vettel say "He brake tested me so what does he expect"

To me it sounds like if you brake test someone (which Lewis didnt) you are then allowed to ram the guy

Hilarious..

[F1NAC]

Bias much? Of course he deserved the penalty for bumping. But what caused his outrage did the same... Hamilton's braketesting

Look at the mirror at repeat that. Braketest or not that is NOT the issue. Vettel rammed another car intentionally[/b]. That deserves disqualification even race bans, period.

Maybe vettel is aspiring a career in Nascar

But seriously, you're right what may or may not have happened between Vettel and Hamilton before is completely irrelevant to Vettel sideswiping Hamilton.

This one of the most stupid moves I have seen in almost 40 years watching F1. In any other race series this would be an instant DSQ for unsportmanslike driving. It would not surprise me if the FIA is looking for a backdoor to raise the penalty.

Probably he could get a DQ if he damaged HAM's car (driving into sidepod lets say). They touch only with wheels if i recall correct. He got really lucky today then