2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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I think it would be a real shame to put prescriptive rules in for SC restarts, i.e. Minimum distances. It is one of the key skills of a GP driver and can result in great overtakes which should not be limited by extra rules.

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Tom145145 wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 20:59
I think it would be a real shame to put prescriptive rules in for SC restarts, i.e. Minimum distances. It is one of the key skills of a GP driver and can result in great overtakes which should not be limited by extra rules.
Not minimum distance but minimum speed specified according to track layout at each venue should do the job...

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After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:02
After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
They didn't change VET's wing ...

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LionKing wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:00
Tom145145 wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 20:59
I think it would be a real shame to put prescriptive rules in for SC restarts, i.e. Minimum distances. It is one of the key skills of a GP driver and can result in great overtakes which should not be limited by extra rules.
Not minimum distance but minimum speed specified according to track layout at each venue should do the job...
That wouldn't prevent this incident...if the car behind goes faster than the one in front they hit! This isn't about minimum speed.

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LionKing wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:00
Tom145145 wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 20:59
I think it would be a real shame to put prescriptive rules in for SC restarts, i.e. Minimum distances. It is one of the key skills of a GP driver and can result in great overtakes which should not be limited by extra rules.
Not minimum distance but minimum speed specified according to track layout at each venue should do the job...
That keeps Vettel not to bang wheels?

Because he got caught out the first time, he choose to take more risk to be right on Lewis his tail.

Vettel got the habit of blaming others if he makes a mistake.

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NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:02
After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
Vettel behaves like a spoilt kindergarten child. For a man who boasts of a CV as impressive as his, today was easily his most dull moment in the F1 circus!

On your question? I honestly felt the first collision was 'OK.' It can happen.. The second one deserved a black flag.
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Jolle wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:05
LionKing wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:00
Tom145145 wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 20:59
I think it would be a real shame to put prescriptive rules in for SC restarts, i.e. Minimum distances. It is one of the key skills of a GP driver and can result in great overtakes which should not be limited by extra rules.
Not minimum distance but minimum speed specified according to track layout at each venue should do the job...
That keeps Vettel not to bang wheels?

Because he got caught out the first time, he choose to take more risk to be right on Lewis his tail.

Vettel got the habit of blaming others if he makes a mistake.
Actually, he generally owns up when he stuffs it up! Today is a rare misstep. I guess no one is perfect.
"Sebastian there's very, you're a member of a very select few.. Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio.. VETTEL!"

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F1NAC wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:03
NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:02
After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
They didn't change VET's wing ...
VET got a new FW during the red flag, he lost all the white horizontal vanes from both sides.

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F1NAC wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:03
NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:02
After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
They didn't change VET's wing ...
Ah ok Thanks, I was sure they changed it! It lost a lot of "bits" in the contact!
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NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:09
F1NAC wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:03
NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:02
After the whole ordeal, Vettel leaves the pit lane with a fully fixed car, and Hamilton had damage (small i must add) to his diffuser.

What do you guys think the stewards would have done if Vettel didnt take a swipe ? would they have punished vettel for causing a collision ??
In normal racing its not so much an incident , but it was behind the Safety Car.
They didn't change VET's wing ...
Ah ok Thanks, I was sure they changed it! It lost a lot of "bits" in the contact!
Actually I am quite sure I saw them change it during the red flag.

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Edax wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:14
NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:09
F1NAC wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:03


They didn't change VET's wing ...
Ah ok Thanks, I was sure they changed it! It lost a lot of "bits" in the contact!
Actually I am quite sure I saw them change it during the red flag.
It was changed 100%

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maybe they took it off to take it out back to see if it had any damage lol (a joke)
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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Edax wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:14
NathanOlder wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:09
F1NAC wrote:
25 Jun 2017, 21:03


They didn't change VET's wing ...
Ah ok Thanks, I was sure they changed it! It lost a lot of "bits" in the contact!
Actually I am quite sure I saw them change it during the red flag.
They changed it indeed. Just ahead of the restart.

Also: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130388
Vettel was also given three penalty points for the incident with Hamilton - which means he now has a total of nine for the past 12 months.

He is now just three points away from a race ban under F1 rules, thanks to three other offences he committed in 2016.

But the two penalty points he got at last year's British GP, for running Felipe Massa off the track, will be wiped away if he does nothing wrong in the next races.

They are due to expire on the Monday following this season's Austrian GP in a fortnight.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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A one-race ban for Vettel is appropriate. Driving into Hamilton's back is one thing, but the second move is inexcusable.

Not okay, ever.