2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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Jano11
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One can only hope that Ferrari will man up and take the FIA to a real court to have the book thrown at them for trying to destroy their championship chances on purpose by imposing double penalties, just because the first penalty didn't yield the expected outcome.
Last time this happened was a long time ago, time that someone puts a check on the FIA again, they seem to have lost all common sense lately.

fiohaa
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what's surprised me the most about all this is everyones melodramatic reactions - not the stewards, or the potential FIA inquiry...but the fans.
i view this sport as entertainment, and vettel's uncontrolled rage adds a bit more spice to it. i thought it was hilarious when he barged into him.
i actually think it wasnt on purpose - i think vettel was so mad whilst gestulating towards ham, when he pulled up alongside, he didn't realise he was swerving into him. that would also explain why vettel didn't even acknowledge what happened after the race - either that or - like China last year when he hit Kimi - he was totally aware and realising what he'd done, tried some damage control to show some kind of innocence.

either way, i really don't care. I find it so weird that fans are so emotionally invested in it - people going 'his actions were vile' and 'sets a bad example'. Oh yeah sure - i'm sure kids watching are now going to start barging other people off the road??
and when it comes to actions on track.....99% of the world population cannot afford to do motorsport anyway....it's not going to have any impact.

plus he was penalised for it - so no other driver on the grid is now going to think its acceptable.
my main point is, to me, it was funny - like a film or something. We now have the raging vettel, furious at mercedes domination and desperately wants to win, vs Hamilton, trying to prove himself in a car that is no longer 1.5s quicker than everything else.

its great for the sport, great for the entertainment - we see this kind of stuff in Nascar or MotoGP All the time - I think F1 has been watered down so much the last 10 years, and it seems like, so have the fans. Vettel showing his emotion in the car is great - its not like he weaponized his car and caused danger, unlike say, oh i don't know, that other driver thats worshipped without question - Senna in 1990 - which really was Insane.

really hoping Chase Carey and the team don't listen to all the fan BS and look at it from an entertainment perspective.

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fiohaa wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:06
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Brilliant post. I fully agree.

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markc
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

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Question: Did Vettel see the Stewards after the race in Baku?

Mamba
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ME4ME wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:15
fiohaa wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:06
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Brilliant post. I fully agree.
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Big Mangalhit
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Mamba wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:17
ME4ME wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:15
fiohaa wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:06
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Brilliant post. I fully agree.
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TAG
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Vasconia wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 16:47
TAG wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 16:21
Agreed, blame anyone as long as it isn't Vettel. :mrgreen:
Are you just trolling or what? #-o #-o #-o #-o

Unless you can demonstrate that the contact between both cars mistfited that piece I reach the conclusion that you must be trolling, seriously.
Trolling? Just having some fun and the Mr. Green should have been an indication, but I have, lots of time pointed out the conclusion I've come to which is the conclusion that the race stewards came to and it's the conclusion that the FiA have come to and are now looking to review the case to see if they apply additional penalties given what Vettel did/said. But some how we're still hearing from people insisting that it was Hamilton's driving that's to blame.

I think this is fascinating though, dramastical, escandalo, fierce. :mrgreen:
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AnotherAlex wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 13:17
Andres125sx wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 12:37
Ergo Lewis did NOTHING wrong, no matter what´s your point of view, facts are facts, and in this case it´s proved the only thing a leader cannot do, was not done by the race leader.
Nonsense - that's your opinion, not a fact.

In my opinion they both share the blame for the initial collision - Vettel was too close to Hamilton and Hamilton slowed at an inappropriate place
That´s your opinion, not a fact. Fact says the leader cannot drive erratically, and not accelerating CANNOT be considered driving erratically, his speed was almost perfectly constant, so the fact remains the same, lewis did nothing wrong. It´s you who is interpretating the facts saying he slowed down at an innappropriate place. Why innappropriate? Any reason apart from blaming Lewis?

Please watch any race with a SC, and take a close look to the race leader when the SC switch its lights off. They ALL slow down, and while it´s not erratically, it´s allowed. It was not erratically and that´s not debatable, telemetry show it, so now the new excuse is the place was inappropriate... when it was before last slow corner before the loooong straight.... and when his own team said in previous SC the restart was too tight because he almost reach the SC before the SC line so he must slow down a little sooner... #-o


It was the obvious place to slow down, far from inappropriate

marvin78
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This is getting ridiculous again. Are you really serious discussion these would-have should-haves? You never know what would have happened. Not even near.

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TAG wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 17:27
Vasconia wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 16:47
TAG wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 16:21
Agreed, blame anyone as long as it isn't Vettel. :mrgreen:
Are you just trolling or what? #-o #-o #-o #-o

Unless you can demonstrate that the contact between both cars mistfited that piece I reach the conclusion that you must be trolling, seriously.
Trolling? Just having some fun and the Mr. Green should have been an indication, but I have, lots of time pointed out the conclusion I've come to which is the conclusion that the race stewards came to and it's the conclusion that the FiA have come to and are now looking to review the case to see if they apply additional penalties given what Vettel did/said. But some how we're still hearing from people insisting that it was Hamilton's driving that's to blame.

I think this is fascinating though, dramastical, escandalo, fierce. :mrgreen:
Agree, Vettel fanboys excuses are becoming fun, now the last slow corner before the straight is not aproppriate to slow down and prepare the restart :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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AnotherAlex wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 13:17
Andres125sx wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 12:37
Ergo Lewis did NOTHING wrong, no matter what´s your point of view, facts are facts, and in this case it´s proved the only thing a leader cannot do, was not done by the race leader.
Nonsense - that's your opinion, not a fact.

In my opinion they both share the blame for the initial collision - Vettel was too close to Hamilton and Hamilton slowed at an inappropriate place, particularly given that Vettel was right on his tail. It's fair to say that Vettel was more to blame, he was just too keen not to be caught out as per the previous restart, and his anger was mainly with himself for having broken his front wing, but to suggest Hamilton didn't know what he was doing in trying to unsettle the guy behind at the restart is to do Hamilton a disservice.
According to Ricciardo; "Look, whether Lewis slowed down or not, he has every right to dictate the pace. He's the leader, and it was too early for him to accelerate.

"You're not going to make the restart out of Turn 15. Seb was probably just a little bit over-excited."

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smellybeard
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Phil wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 14:54
The problem I think is that the stewards decided on a too lenient punishment (10s stop and go).
No, it's not a problem and was conceivably the correct in-race response. Unsportsmanlike behaviour and bringing the sport into disrepute is more a job for the FIA and hopefully they'll deal with it - without feeling hostage to the TV fans and twitterati.

I've seen incidents like that lead to twelve-month bans in lower formulae and a ban like that is not for race stewards to hand down.

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Jester Maroc wrote:
29 Jun 2017, 18:02
According to Ricciardo; "Look, whether Lewis slowed down or not, he has every right to dictate the pace. He's the leader, and it was too early for him to accelerate.

"You're not going to make the restart out of Turn 15. Seb was probably just a little bit over-excited."
Logic........ It's sad so many don't understand the concept. :mrgreen:
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Xwang
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I'm expecting the FIA to reconsider further decision regarding first corner incident in Lap 1 of Japan GP 1990 between Prost and Senna with the latter that voluntarily crashed against Prost to win the championship.
Should we consider Prost a 5 WDC winner and Senna a 2 WDC?
When will FIA call for such an action?
Maybe Senna should be disqualified from all the 1990 race and onwards and all the statistics must be recomputed (GP wins, poles, fast laps and so on).

CHT
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The outcome will be "suspended" race ban to make both Ferrari and Merc camp happy.