2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[Tubas]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

That is a ludicrous statement. Drive a rotating wheel at any bit of bodywork, the wheel will be fine but bits will fly off the other car.

[Xwang]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

That is a ludicrous statement. Drive a rotating wheel at any bit of bodywork, the wheel will be fine but bits will fly off the other car.

Are you saying that he wanted to damage Hamilton's car and despite a "target" longer than 5 meters he was unable to avoid hitting the only part that in case would have had the same probability to fail than his car, namely the front wheel? It seems unlikely to me.

[WaikeCU]

Speaking of which, Zidane head-butt was an iconic moment too. He got the red card for that, but I don't think that mattered in that moment anymore. I respect him for doing that and he took it like a man too.

Nah man, We were all wrong. It was Materazzi who chestbumped Zidane's head. How could you not see that?!

[Vasconia]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

That is a ludicrous statement. Drive a rotating wheel at any bit of bodywork, the wheel will be fine but bits will fly off the other car.

Suspensions use to break too. And its not that difficult.

Even more ludicrous is to say that a certain driver collides with onother with the aim of breaking the other car while his own carn will remain intact.

[Restomaniac]

Speaking of which, Zidane head-butt was an iconic moment too. He got the red card for that, but I don't think that mattered in that moment anymore. I respect him for doing that and he took it like a man too.

Nah man, We were all wrong. It was Materazzi who chestbumped Zidane's head. How could you not see that?!

Don't be silly that's too far fetched.
It's clear that is was just an accident. Zidane just obviously lost control of a part of his body and a skill set that he had been honing for most of his adult life. I mean yes it's awfully coincidental that it happened just as he lost his temper and that it seemed that he moved his head but how can you expect him to keep control of it?

[Vasconia]

James Allen on this incident:

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/06/ ... eed-track/

"He was cautioned after Mexico as to his future behaviour and there are some who feel that the FIA should have been stronger with him after Baku, as the image of a driver deliberately driving into a competitor out of pique, doesn’t play well with the FIA’s Road Safety messaging.

Whilst it is true that this is an unwelcome precedent for F1, the comparisons with road safety do become rather stretched as there are many things that happen under racing conditions on a circuit that wouldn’t be acceptable on the roads, not least the extreme speeds which are the basic premise of the sport itself.

Meanwhile Toto Wolff has calmed things on a corporate level in the last days, saying that there is no spat between Ferrari and Mercedes and that they have a good relationship, which will not change.

The feeling is that it is good for business if there is a bit of edge between the title rival drivers (and one hopes that Vettel will not be booed at Silverstone after what happened in Baku)"

[adrianjordan]

I have thought about this and here's what I think will happen; Vettel will admit blame to the tribunal (perhaps at the behest of his Ferrari bosses) and will be made to publicly apologise as well as being given a 1 race supended ban until the end of the season.

I think that would be a fair result that would also deter other drivers without being overly harsh given that he already received a penalty in the race.

[Andres125sx]

I'm expecting the FIA to reconsider further decision regarding first corner incident in Lap 1 of Japan GP 1990 between Prost and Senna with the latter that voluntarily crashed against Prost to win the championship.
Should we consider Prost a 5 WDC winner and Senna a 2 WDC?
When will FIA call for such an action?
Maybe Senna should be disqualified from all the 1990 race and onwards and all the statistics must be recomputed (GP wins, poles, fast laps and so on).

Vettel should not get further pubishment at all. In fact, I'd love to see plenty more of this.

yeah, let's make it destruction derby F1, that'll be safe and fantastic to view.

or wait, that already excists, better send Vettel there.
If this was Indy or so, he'd have a firm, firm, really firm ban. and deserved.

This is destruction derby:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QN8fQi2uZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMbsfkQsrd4
Let's squalify Senna from 1990 WDC.
[ironic mode on]Oh no he came over the kerb so he was innocent like Bottas.[/ironic mode off]

No, that is instant (one year later) karma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_hXycTKAs


If you want to remove one title from Senna´s book, then remove another one from Prost wich will go to Senna

Anycase I find it sad to read justifications for unfair actions mentioning past unfair actions.... So we all can be unfair because there was a lot of unfair actions in the past and that justify us to act as criminals?

Enough for me, I´m out

[marvin78]

The purpose of talking about the past is that this Vettel-Hamilton incident also lies in the past and was punished with 30-32 seconds in the race and with 3 points. The points system is meant for such cases. So this should be it. Let's move on, like we did in the past.

[Vasconia]

The purpose of talking about the past is that this Vettel-Hamilton incident also lies in the past and was punished with 30-32 seconds in the race and with 3 points. The points system is meant for such cases. So this should be it. Let's move on, like we did in the past.

Some people just can´t do it.

[Vasconia]

I have thought about this and here's what I think will happen; Vettel will admit blame to the tribunal (perhaps at the behest of his Ferrari bosses) and will be made to publicly apologise as well as being given a 1 race supended ban until the end of the season.

I think that would be a fair result that would also deter other drivers without being overly harsh given that he already received a penalty in the race.

If he admits the blame is to avoid the race ban if not I dont see any sense to admit anything. Unless he really think he is guilty and wants to improve his image.

[Stormy]

Can we stop with this junior formulas... C'mon this kids wont suddenly ram into each other...

You're so completely wrong. Kids look up to the stars of their sport and it's a terrible example. It also shows a total disregard for those who imposed the penalty upon him.

Vettel should've come out and said he made a stupid mistake and was sorry. The story would be finished. Or do you think it's acceptable for him to keep on with the 'I did nothing wrong' attitude despite the clear evidence to the contrary.

Well if they only bump into each other at 40kph wheel-to-wheel behind the safety car to show their anger then no biggie, really. However, they won't even do that because they know they'll get a penalty. They have brains and they think.

[djones]

Suspended ban is about as pointless as no ban.

I think they will....

A. Remove his Baku points
B. Fine him (money goes to road safety)
C. Make him apologise to the public, specifically stating how any action that compromises safety is never acceptable

[SiLo]

I'm a Hamilton fan, and whatever they decide I will be happy with as long as it's done to set a precedent for the future. They really, REALLY, need to start being consistent with penalties and seeing as we haven't had one of these in a while, it would be good to say "this is what we are going to do in instances like this from now on" and stick to their guns.

If they hand him a race ban, fine, make sure it's done in future. If they fine him and make him apologise, also fine, make sure it's done in future.

I do feel that a 10 second stop-go penalty is not harsh enough however. There needs to be something between a black flag, and a stop-go penalty I think. If they want to rethink penalties between this season and next, I would be fine with that.

[NathanOlder]

Yeah I agree. Think about this,

If over the last 3 years Lewis had done this to Nico (or Nico to Lewis) they would get a 10 second stop and go while in 2nd place. They would have been able to do that and still finish exactly where they were when they committed the crime. They need a severe in race penalty, especially as they seemed reluctant to use the Black Flag.