2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[adrianjordan]

I have thought about this and here's what I think will happen; Vettel will admit blame to the tribunal (perhaps at the behest of his Ferrari bosses) and will be made to publicly apologise as well as being given a 1 race supended ban until the end of the season.

I think that would be a fair result that would also deter other drivers without being overly harsh given that he already received a penalty in the race.

This is what english media and Hamilton fanboys want to happen.

I think there are many "fanboys" who want to see Vettel stripped of his points for the Baku race or receive a race ban. As for the "English media" I haven't heard anything about what punishment Vettel should get...

Surely the "fanboys" would want something far more drastic than simply a telling off and a don't do this again or you'll miss a race??

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I think there are many "fanboys" who want to see Vettel stripped of his points for the Baku race or receive a race ban. As for the "English media" I haven't heard anything about what punishment Vettel should get...

Surely the "fanboys" would want something far more drastic than simply a telling off and a don't do this again or you'll miss a race??

I think it would be fair to strip off all the points from this season for his serial offending ways. That wouldn't be too much. Hope he would then concentrate on his racing skills than enhancing his temperament. This is an opportunity for FIA to set a precedent and ensure no one dares to do such stupid stuff.

[santos]

I think there are many "fanboys" who want to see Vettel stripped of his points for the Baku race or receive a race ban. As for the "English media" I haven't heard anything about what punishment Vettel should get...

Surely the "fanboys" would want something far more drastic than simply a telling off and a don't do this again or you'll miss a race??

I think it would be fair to strip off all the points from this season for his serial offending ways. That wouldn't too much. Hope he would then concentrate on his racing skills than enhancing his temperament.

This is the kind of talk that discredit any discussion...
All this topic is a spread of hate and anger...
Go take a walk outside. Go watch the birds and trees... take a deep breath. See the flowers and bees.

[SiLo]

Yeah I agree. Think about this,

If over the last 3 years Lewis had done this to Nico (or Nico to Lewis) they would get a 10 second stop and go while in 2nd place. They would have been able to do that and still finish exactly where they were when they committed the crime. They need a severe in race penalty, especially as they seemed reluctant to use the Black Flag.

I guess its difficult because if that happened to other cars, it would easily ruin their race. But if it happened to Mercedes they would already be 30 seconds up the road anyway.

[TAG]

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

Maybe he made a deal with the devil? Remember the last race... I think it was 2012? (someone correct me please) When he got hit by someone (Button?) and spun his car the left side of this sidepod was gone, and the entire field came through him while he was facing the other way he could have lost the championship with a DNF or a finish outside the points, but his car stayed together and he finished high enough to keep his title.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Whatever booing comes on the podium for Vettel this year, I hope people will understand right? I'd hate to see discussion about the fans benefiting from the excitement and the edge of Vettel purposely hitting a competitor and then see those same people defending Vettel's honor when he's thoroughly drenched in booing in whatever podium he happens to get for the remainder of the season. Because booing is for the fans just as much. Agreed?

[Gothrek]

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

Maybe he made a deal with the devil? Remember the last race... I think it was 2012? (someone correct me please) When he got hit by someone (Button?) and spun his car the left side of this sidepod was gone, and the entire field came through him while he was facing the other way he could have lost the championship with a DNF or a finish outside the points, but his car stayed together and he finished high enough to keep his title.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

He saved his car on merit that day. Vettel put the car in reverse for example.

[WaikeCU]

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

Maybe he made a deal with the devil? Remember the last race... I think it was 2012? (someone correct me please) When he got hit by someone (Button?) and spun his car the left side of this sidepod was gone, and the entire field came through him while he was facing the other way he could have lost the championship with a DNF or a finish outside the points, but his car stayed together and he finished high enough to keep his title.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

He saved his car on merit that day. Vettel put the car in reverse for example.

He didn't. He went neutral, so he rolled back because he was on a slope. That turn went a bit downhill. He was lucky even though he got hit.

[Treble]

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

Maybe he made a deal with the devil? Remember the last race... I think it was 2012? (someone correct me please) When he got hit by someone (Button?) and spun his car the left side of this sidepod was gone, and the entire field came through him while he was facing the other way he could have lost the championship with a DNF or a finish outside the points, but his car stayed together and he finished high enough to keep his title.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Whatever booing comes on the podium for Vettel this year, I hope people will understand right? I'd hate to see discussion about the fans benefiting from the excitement and the edge of Vettel purposely hitting a competitor and then see those same people defending Vettel's honor when he's thoroughly drenched in booing in whatever podium he happens to get for the remainder of the season. Because booing is for the fans just as much. Agreed?

Nobody defends Vettel. Everybody should defend the fact that they can't change rules or modify penalties three days after the race. This is RACING not Teletubbies. Vettel made a mistake and took the penalty (right or not right, we can discuss about it). If you want more strict rules then they had to change the standards from the first race. What Bottas did against Raikkonen would have been a penalty in the past.

Booing is a part of the sport. Vettel will be booed in England. Hamilton in Monza...

[Ana]

Quite legit, it is not so easy to make alterations. But think this way if there are precedents to be set for the future. Things can happen though. Just a thought.

[TAG]

Nobody defends Vettel. Everybody should defend the fact that they can't change rules or modify penalties three days after the race. This is RACING not Teletubbies. Vettel made a mistake and took the penalty (right or not right, we can discuss about it). If you want more strict rules then they had to change the standards from the first race. What Bottas did against Raikkonen would have been a penalty in the past.

Booing is a part of the sport. Vettel will be booed in England. Hamilton in Monza...

Not sure if you've been reading anything that's been posted here over the last 60 pages, daunting task I know so I wouldn't blame you in the slightest. But this is not having the rules changed three days after the incident. Vettel has 9 points on his super license, some of those are there because of previous (rage filled) spats. There's a standing admonishment from the FiA against Vettel for his tirade verbal against Charlie Whitting last year; that should he have any similar future raged filled happenstances he'd be brought in front o the tribunal for judgement. Nothing has happened yet, he may as well escape without any further action. But you can't expect the FiA to issue a warning to Vettel, Vettel not heed that warning, flagrantly once again thumb his nose at the ruling, instead taking no responsibility for an indecent that without a shadow of a doubt is the same rage filled response that brought the sport into ill repute last year... and not be brought in front of that tribunal he was warned with. Don't conflate the facts, we hold the community to a higher standard here. Some through struggle to meet those standards. Don't be one of those some.

[Vasconia]

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

Maybe he made a deal with the devil? Remember the last race... I think it was 2012? (someone correct me please) When he got hit by someone (Button?) and spun his car the left side of this sidepod was gone, and the entire field came through him while he was facing the other way he could have lost the championship with a DNF or a finish outside the points, but his car stayed together and he finished high enough to keep his title.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Whatever booing comes on the podium for Vettel this year, I hope people will understand right? I'd hate to see discussion about the fans benefiting from the excitement and the edge of Vettel purposely hitting a competitor and then see those same people defending Vettel's honor when he's thoroughly drenched in booing in whatever podium he happens to get for the remainder of the season. Because booing is for the fans just as much. Agreed?

2012 yes, it was in the last race in Brazil. He was lucky indeed but he did a good race and deserved the championship. Did Alonso deserve it even more? yes, it was his best season but luck is cruel lady.

What Vettel did, was a mistake, a stupid mistake at the edge of a very tense moment. People waiting for Silverstone to boo him its not the same thing. We have seen similar moments in F1, but in the past people(fans,true fans) were more respectful. I would like to see some of the supposed classic British lordship and elegance and not what we have seen in the recent years.

[Sebi80]

Vettel lucky champion.

[Manoah2u]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...

let me just put my translation glasses on here, i feel like i've seen so much replies from this direction that i think the proper translation must be:

I'm a fanboy for Vettel and therefore he can do no wrong, ever.

which raises to me the following;

do you honestly believe Vettel did nothing wrong?
including
A) slamming into hamilton
B) pulling up alongside him behind the safety car
C) waving his hands in the air gesturing
D) hitting lewis with his car from the side E) then actually overtaking him behind the safety car as brief as it is

and then

F) being surprised he actually got a drive through and discussing it aboard the radio
G) afterwards claiming there was nothing
H) that he now is under FIA investigation is that an indication he did something wrong yes or no?

and whilst at it,

do you think Vettel should be treated the same as any other driver in F1, and such, with Kvyat's punishments in mind, how do you think about that?

really honest questions.

[Manoah2u]

and one hopes that Vettel will not be booed at Silverstone after what happened in Baku

oh Toto you ol'cunning sneaky lil sonofa
now he's seeded that idea into the masses

Funny how he mentions silverstone and not the next race in Austria which would make more sense
He's gonna stretch this all the way to Silverstone

[ClarkBT11]

If the shoe was on the other foot and Hamilton hit Vettel I couldn't defend him and I would think 10 second penalty was lenient. Considering a harsher penalty wasn't picked because they couldn't accept responsibility for the right decision.

If it was Hamilton hitting Vettel I've got a feeling you wouldn't be posting that opinion and what exactly has watered f1 for ten years? Two teams dominating for most of it and consistent regulation changes.

Arrggh I've just burnt my Baked Alaska!

If Hamilton was the offender you would be defending him, that is how fans work.

You see Hamilton has a lot of fans in the Brit press who are asking for more punishment to further his cause in the championship.

I wouldn't defend Hamilton he'd deserve a severe penalty if intentionally crashed into another driver, which would never happen most drivers are more controlled than to loose their cool. Most Vettel fans agree that they can't defend his actions and would expect a bigger penalty if it was a different driver/team involved. The fans that are defending or making excuses are as delusional as Vettel's post race interview. FIA are taking more action because he's been warned last year to behave himself.