A lap around Albert Park.

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A lap around Albert Park.

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Hi all.

In the following graphs the results of the analysis I made on the engine sound from a video of Kimi Raikkonen pole position lap for the 2007 Australian Gp in Melbourne, just to have a reference of what F1 cars can do on track.

Car’s speed vs time :
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Engine rpm on track map :
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Car’s speed on track map :
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Gear on track map :
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Percentage of laptime spent over a given rpm (example, for 80% of time engine was at over 15k rpm) :
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Car’s speed vs rpm :
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Enjoy.

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Tom Castellani
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That is so cool, cheers!
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Reca wrote:
Engine rpm on track map :
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This one is definately one of my favourites for sure. Now I have a more in depth understanding of the relationship between each shift and the track position of car for this circuit. Turn 3 and 15 are the ¨slowest¨ of all, both around 10k rpm. It´s obvious why 15 might be so slow, it´s designed to cut down speed before entering the main straight.

And is there a possibility of a ´07-´08 comparison for us to see later on :?: :wink: That would be quite interesting, as their have been quite a few changes in electronics and aero between last years GP and this weekends.

Excellent work and I hope you continue to participate a little more often around here Reca, because work such as this is very much appreciated.
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Reca wrote:Hi all.

In the following graphs the results of the analysis I made on the engine sound from a video of Kimi Raikkonen pole position lap for the 2007 Australian Gp in Melbourne, just to have a reference of what F1 cars can do on track.
Much appreciated, as

always. One could put quite some time in just going over that analysis. Too bad a direct comparison to 2008's effects of "no" TC and engine braking isn't possible (the slight change in qualy format, Kimi fuel losing pressure). Still, it has been interesting to see just how well the teams have compensated - and even drivers (Kubica commenting that their engine braking management was so bad he actually feels the 1.08 is more stable than its predecessor.)

The engine note, even instinctively, does seem more lively and "humane" now. One also wonders whether some of the more "advanced" features of TC might've worked against surviving from the more extreme events - Robert's Q3 off (and particularly the save thereof) might've looked different with TC getting data it can't make sense of, as opposed to the "fuzzy logic" between our ears. Certainly even in less dramatic circumstances there have to be some questions now as to whether the teams actually pushed TC and such "too far" in comparison to driver capability. (Certainly something that could be expanded to road cars also, since I feel some of the "autonomous" functions add to the motor/sensory load that cause those functions to be activated in the first place. One should be trusting of our capability to make a synthesis of a situation, but also very careful of taxing our relatively sluggish response times in the process.)

As a further aside, with more demands placed on the gearboxes and drivers, notably there have been at least a couple of references to differential trouble - at least from Rosberg on Friday, and from Alonso after qualy. If the teams have pushed those designs forwards aggressively, it'll be interesting to see the ideas within surface in time.

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As a start, thank you all for the appreciation, I’d like to participate a bit more often and I’ll try to but the problem is, obviously, lack of spare time.

The comparison 2007-2008 is something I was already planning to do (just out of curiosity, not because the level of precision of the analysis is enough to tell something quantitative about the cars), even though obviously, as checkered said, the different format of qualifying means that the different fuel load has more influence than one year of improvement had and consequently the pole lap was some 7 tenths slower than last year.
Still impressive considering that last year KR had IIRC some 10-12 laps of fuel less than Lewis had this year and that should correspond to somewhere around 30 kg, 1.2-1.3 s more or less, meaning more than half second improvement with same tyres and no driving aids (although the latter should matter little on a single lap).
Anyway, I found the video of LH pole on youtube and made the comparison of speed vs time :
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Unfortunately as you can see it’s not the whole lap, I don’t know if it’s because the video itself wasn’t complete or something went wrong in the download as I didn’t watch it till the following day and when I tried to download it again the video wasn’t there anymore (Bernie longa manus did catch it apparently), so it ends at the penultimate corner right before pit entrance. As expected, given the higher fuel load and the higher total time, cornering speeds are a bit lower pretty much every corner (remember that it’s speed vs time, so the fact LH speed drops at the same moment or even later is because it took him more time, from the start of the lap, to arrive in the same point, not because he actually braked later for the same corner).

Another interesting thing I did is an analysis of the video of Kovalainen’s mistake (found it on youtube too, don’t know how long it will be there, it’s the one starting with the images from Alonso’s Renault and then switching on Kovalainen’s onboard after the overtake).
Here you can see rpm of Kova’s car, with the drop at around 11 seconds, few instants after he upshifted to 5th, and the sudden raise of rpm at roughly 13.5 when he downshifts in 4th to re-accelerate (you should be able to figure out by your own the various gears used knowing that at the slowest corner he’s in second).
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And here the corresponding speed.
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If someone can tell me why there isn’t a “protection” that, when the PL button is pressed, checks other parameters and avoids to activate it when car is at 240 km/h in fifth gear and full throttle, I’ll be grateful.

At the end, here a few numerical data about braking again from last year Kimi’s pole (I had them already last week but I forgot to attach them to the post...) :

Braking : initial speed / final speed / time / distance / avg acc. / peak acc.

1 : 308 km/h / 151 km/h / 1.93 s. / 109 m. / - 2.3 g / -3.97 g
2 : 300 km/h / 82 km/h / 3.42 s. / 139 m. / - 1.81 g / -4.95 g
3 : 289 km/h / 132 km/h / 1.90 s. / 100 m. / - 2.33 g / -4.01 g
4 : 284 km/h / 115 km/h / 2.08 s. / 101 m. / - 2.3 g / -4.84 g
5 : 296 km/h / 228 km/h / 1.37 s. / 97 m. / -1.4 g / -2.53 g
6 : 297 km/h / 133 km/h / 2.03 s. / 103 m. / - 2.3 g / -4.86 g
7 : 243 km/h / 192 km/h / 0.97 s. / 61 m. /-1.47 g / -1.77 g
8 : 247 km/h / 82 km/h / 2.56 s. / 97 m. / - 1.83 g / -4.10 g

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Reca wrote:If someone can tell me why there isn’t a “protection” that, when the PL button is pressed, checks other parameters and avoids to activate it when car is at 240 km/h in fifth gear and full throttle, I’ll be grateful.
I think I saw a quote of Marc Gene somewhere saying he was very surprised McLaren haven't addressed this problem after what happened to LH in Brazil last year and that Ferrari does use such a system, that will only activate the pit limiter in a certain gear at a certain speed. I'll try to look for it.

edit: here it is:
McLaren should fix the problem before it hurts them again, Spaniard insists.

Ferrari test driver Marc Gene has suggested that the pit-lane speed limiter problem that cost Heikki Kovalainen fourth place in Melbourne at the weekend was the same one that caused the Finn's team-mate Lewis Hamilton to lose half a minute - and with it the world drivers' crown - in last year's season-closing Brazilian Grand Prix.

Following the Australian Grand Prix, McLaren-Mercedes new boy Kovalainen said that he had accidentally knocked the pit-lane speed limiter button as he reached to tear away a rip-off strip from his helmet visor whilst crossing the start-finish line for the penultimate time.

The fleeting lack of drive allowed Fernando Alonso - whom the 26-year-old had just succeeded in passing - to gratefully reclaim the spot in a flash, leaving the 2005 GP2 Series vice-champion down in a frustrated fifth place at the flag.

Writing in his regular column for Spanish daily newspaper El Mundo, however, Gene maintained he was convinced that a similar incident was also responsible for Hamilton suddenly slowing down in the title-deciding Interlagos outing - something McLaren have strenuously denied.

"I was surprised," the 33-year-old former Williams racer admitted. "It is incredible that McLaren still have not done anything about it after that incident cost them so dearly [in Brazil]."

The Spaniard added that Ferrari's own speed limit system can only be activated when a driver is in a low gear, not at close to top speed on a main straight as Kovalainen was at the time of his own problem in Albert Park.
Not where I saw it before, but I guess it's good enough -
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Great work, Reca. I hope you continue with this.

Reca
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Here we go again, Malaysia, Massa’s pole lap 2007.

Rpm on track :
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Speed on track :
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Gear on track :
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Percentage time over a given rpm (compared with Melbourne) :
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Braking : initial speed / final speed / time / distance / avg acc. / peak acc.

1 : 301 km/h / 77 km/h / 3.69 s. / 153 m. / - 1.72 g / -4.38 g
2 : 290 km/h / 103 km/h / 2.39 s. / 113 m. / -2.22 g / -4.83 g
3 : 285 km/h / 183 km/h / 1.80 s. / 109 m. / - 1.6 g / -4.64 g
4 : 282 km/h / 68 km/h / 2.95 s. / 115 m. / - 2.05 g / -4.11 g
5 : 237 km/h / 149 km/h / 1.86 s. / 94 m. / -1.34 g / -2.84 g
6 : 274 km/h / 112 km/h / 2.75 s. / 131 m. / - 1.67 g / -3.71 g
7 : 303 km/h / 83 km/h / 2.93 s. / 133 m. / -2.13 g / -4.6 g

FLC wrote:
I think I saw a quote of Marc Gene somewhere saying he was very surprised McLaren haven't addressed this problem after what happened to LH in Brazil last year and that Ferrari does use such a system, that will only activate the pit limiter in a certain gear at a certain speed. I'll try to look for it.
Thanks FLC.
I knew Ferrari and other teams have that kind of protection, which is why I always discarded the suggestions that last year in Brazil Hamilton’s problem was caused by him hitting the wrong button; I always took for granted that McLaren software would prevent it, I presume I was wrong then, so the theory of the human mistake is not so crazy after all.