2017 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg 7-9 Jul

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JonoNic wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 15:40
This is brilliant! Bottas able to win 2 cliffhangers. This man has pedigree.
What cliffhangers :?: Bottas did Russia repeat and more. Race ended very early on USs, that was hammer time.
- Grosjean did the same in terms of (relative) pace

- Raikkonen was embarrassingly slow. Hamliton although not Ferrari :-) should be grateful. Not catching Ricciardo, bit of a surprise but only one place lost from Q position.
- Strategy turned out it to be more simple US - SS, simple and boring. Worst track.

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iotar__ wrote:
JonoNic wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 15:40
This is brilliant! Bottas able to win 2 cliffhangers. This man has pedigree.
What cliffhangers :?: Bottas did Russia repeat and more. Race ended very early on USs, that was hammer time.
- Grosjean did the same in terms of (relative) pace

- Raikkonen was embarrassingly slow. Hamliton although not Ferrari :-) should be grateful. Not catching Ricciardo, bit of a surprise but only one place lost from Q position.
- Strategy turned out it to be more simple US - SS, simple and boring. Worst track.
He kept his lead till the end. Close to losing it.
Always find the gap then use it.

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Not a great weekend from HAM, poor qually, barely any cars passed on track, should have been able to pass both RAI and RIC on track.

Good drive and tire maintenance by VET/Ferrari

Good drive by RIC

Great start and drive by BOT, what is this nonsense about a jump start, they have an electronic system and even if he moved .001 after the lights went out, he is good to the regs.
GRO & PER with good drives, The Williams able to scrounge some points after a horrible qually.

KVT needs to be penalized heavily.

What happened to VER?

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iotar__ wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 15:42
JonoNic wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 15:40
This is brilliant! Bottas able to win 2 cliffhangers. This man has pedigree.
What cliffhangers :?: Bottas did Russia repeat and more. Race ended very early on USs, that was hammer time.
- Grosjean did the same in terms of (relative) pace

- Raikkonen was embarrassingly slow. Hamliton although not Ferrari :-) should be grateful. Not catching Ricciardo, bit of a surprise but only one place lost from Q position.
- Strategy turned out it to be more simple US - SS, simple and boring. Worst track.
I prefer races like this insteadn of mercedes gt safety cars race like Baku.

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Such a shame on Ferrari to be using Raikkonen as a pawn to help Vettel! Had they pit him early, he could have retained fourth place! They kept giving wrong messages to slow him down and create wake for Hamilton. What they did not anticipate was Hamilton pitting and neither did they trusted the Red Bull pace. That ruined the race for him.

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Someone can explain me why this is not a Jumpstart. Maybe the video is different from the reality. https://twitter.com/darcyf1/status/884027507703402496 By the way i think if the stewards has yet said that is not a jump start, no further penalty are possible. For me it is a jump start.

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Ferrari and Mercedes have no.2 drivers for now. However, Bottas is coming back into title contention, which will give Mercedes a headache
Always find the gap then use it.

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GPR-A wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 15:49
Such a shame on Ferrari to be using Raikkonen as a pawn to help Vettel! Had they pit him early, he could have retained fourth place! They kept giving wrong messages to slow him down and create wake for Hamilton. What they did not anticipate was Hamilton pitting and neither did they trusted the Red Bull pace. That ruined the race for him.
how could he retained 4th... Hamilton jumped him with his outlap already. Raikkonen is just slow on sundays. His pace is dropping. I was watching live timing. Once Hamilton got rid Grosjean I think, he was consistently faster than Raikkonen. Mercedes is clearly faster car (At least on US)

Mercedes just has better NO.2 driver

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Kimi should never have been in a situation that he is only fighting to stay 4th. He was slower than both Mercedes and the red Bull in the race. Even had he pitted right after Hamilton he would not have been able to put pressure on Hamilton.

A shame that Vettel is basically the one man team...

Or maybe he is like Alonso, extracting more out of the car than it would be possible.... Kimi shows the real pace of that Ferrari. (the last statement contains sarcasm Alonso fan logic)

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Hamilton's outlap was faster than the gap between him and Kimi. Not sure how Kimi could have jumped him by pitting the next lap. Some just see things they wish. Ferrari must hope that the engine upgrade must work as intended. Mercs are faster when it matters. Can't overtake with so little to choose from.
Vettel will be happy. This was a Merc win all long. Lucky that the other Merc won and he finished ahead of the #1 Merc again.

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About the image of the beer bottle floating across the billboard. It seemed to me that it was timed exactly so that the image would start moving when the billboard came into view. CGI?

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Some people want to read they way they wish. The strategy for Hamilton was clear, he was on SS and bound go long. As they already saw, it was so difficult to overtake between the top cars, pitting Kimi early and forcing Hamilton to go longer and once again hold him back when he comes back with Ultra Softs, would have definitely helped Kimi to get that fourth, who knows, even 3rd. He kept going on and on on those slower tyres and despite his repeated complaints, Ferrari did not pay heed. He lost it as soon as Hamilton pit, which was not expected. Once Hamilton pitted, the race was over for Kimi.

With such stupid ways of using a driver to simply slow down the competitor OR use to help Vettel, has already costed Ferrari the WCC. They are 33 points behind now on what should have been a hard fought WCC championship.
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GPR-A wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 16:16
Some people want to read they way they wish. The strategy for Hamilton was clear, he was on SS and bound go long. As they already saw, it was so difficult to overtake between the top cars, pitting Kimi early and forcing Hamilton to go longer and once again hold him back when he comes back with Ultra Softs, would have definitely helped Kimi to get that fourth, who knows, even 3rd. He kept going on and on on those slower tyres and despite his repeated complaints, Ferrari did not pay heed. He lost it as soon as Hamilton pit, which was not expected. Once Hamilton pitted, the race was over for Kimi.
Even if Raikkonen entered in pits, Ham would overcut him easily. Raikkonen was just off the pace today.

In todays race Raikkonen hadn't had a pace to be in front of Mercedes

Just look at the gap at the end.... over 10 seconds off Hamilton.

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F1NAC wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 16:19
GPR-A wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 16:16
Some people want to read they way they wish. The strategy for Hamilton was clear, he was on SS and bound go long. As they already saw, it was so difficult to overtake between the top cars, pitting Kimi early and forcing Hamilton to go longer and once again hold him back when he comes back with Ultra Softs, would have definitely helped Kimi to get that fourth, who knows, even 3rd. He kept going on and on on those slower tyres and despite his repeated complaints, Ferrari did not pay heed. He lost it as soon as Hamilton pit, which was not expected. Once Hamilton pitted, the race was over for Kimi.
Even if Raikkonen entered in pits, Ham would overcut him easily. Raikkonen was just off the pace today.

In todays race Raikkonen hadn't had a pace to be in front of Mercedes
Seriously? When Raikkonen came out of pits, he started doing 1m07s and Hamilton would have not done that time on those used SS. So, no way he would have done an overcut. Instead, he would have gone longer to get his US for a much shorter stint. That was the reason for using SS in his first stint.

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SiLo wrote:https://media.giphy.com/media/mrFmmvlvtfv1e/giphy.gif

Lights on the steering wheel also change to indicate dropped clutch.
Yeah, I'm calling that a jump start

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