2017 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg 7-9 Jul

[dans79]

It must be in the rulebook somewhere. The international sporting code specifically says what a false start is and doesn't say anything about tolerances:

Bottas clearly broke b and c. What is there to understand?

What you are missing is that the tolerance isn't in the rules, its in the physical devise used to build the monitoring system.

[mertol]

If it's not in the rules it's void.

[Yurasyk]

And where are mentioned "allowed clutch adjustment movements before the start"?

[PlatinumZealot]

There is no written rule about tolerances or anything suggesting you can move before the signal. Or at least I can't find it. Maybe some of the FIA/Bottas defenders can point me to it.

The cars move before the signal all the time. We just only highlight the really big ones like Bottas' but his just happened to be just below the limits.

I see some posters asking about what the tolerance is and how it is measured. I will use sprinting example again. There is a pressure sensor in the block. The sprinter cannot exert more than a given amount of pressure before the gun. Even if his body doesn't move, if he tenses his muscles too much it can set off the false start. Also the torso must not move significant before the gun - but the sprinters are allowed small body movement in the blocks. Bottas start is an anology to a small body movement.

[mertol]

You keep making stuff up. The rules specifically say he can't move.

[maxxer]

Still going on about the false start , isnt it that yellow line which they are not supposed to cross ? So if you park bit further back you can start earlier i though

[Big Mangalhit]

Still going on about the false start , isnt it that yellow line which they are not supposed to cross ? So if you park bit further back you can start earlier i though

Nah you can't do that. Otherwise it would be advantageous to park way before and get a rolling start

[Phil]

There needs to be some tolerance margin, as cars differ in length and there is also some margin of error when the driver places is car inside the box for the start with limited visibility.

[Just_a_fan]

If it's not in the rules it's void.

The rules state certain things must/must not be. If it's not specifically mentioned then it can be legal depending on interpretation. That's kind of how English Law works - and the rules are basically set up in the same way. That's why the teams ask for FIA clarification on things.

[mertol]

The rules spcificly say you can't go before the signal. So any detectable movement. For a transponder to have tolerances it must have at least a specification it was built to. The transponder manufacturer can't just invent it on their own.

[CriXus]

Vettel calls for jump start rules rethink

Sebastian Vettel has called for a rules rethink regarding jump starts in F1.

A week ago in Austria, the Ferrari driver disputed the FIA's insistence that Valtteri Bottas did not jump the start. The current rules permit some movement of the car after the fifth light goes on, allowing for the engagement of the clutch. But Vettel says this means a driver can anticipate the start of the race, rather than react purely to the lights going out. Finn Bottas admits: "If you're moving exactly at the same point the lights go off you definitely are on the risky side rather than the safe side. "Everyone is obviously free to kind of guess when the lights go off," he added. But Vettel said that's wrong. "He got away with it because that's the way the rules are," said the Ferrari driver. "So we should look at the rules more closely. "I don't think any of us would risk trying to repeat what he did. If he tried it again he would not succeed, because it's impossible to predict the time of the start. "His car started to move just before the lights went out," Vettel continued. "But even if you start at the same time, the human response is still greater than zero tenths of a second."

[mertol]

Bottas response was not 0 tenths it was -1 tenths, add that to the normal 2 tenths reaction time and he has huge advantage

[NathanOlder]

Give it a rest Seb. You bend the rules more than most, yet you complain more than most.

[maxxer]

Still going on about the false start , isnt it that yellow line which they are not supposed to cross ? So if you park bit further back you can start earlier i though

Nah you can't do that. Otherwise it would be advantageous to park way before and get a rolling start

Haha yeah thats true

[henry]

You keep making stuff up. The rules specifically say he can't move.

Which rules are these?

The 2017 sporting regs say

36.9 When the cars come back to the grid at the end of the formation lap (or laps, see Article 39.16), they will stop within their respective grid positions, keeping their engines running.
There will be a standing start, the signal being given by means of lights activated by the permanent starter.

Once all the cars have come to a halt the five second light will appear followed by the four, three, two and one second lights. At any time after the one second light appears, the race will be started by extinguishing all red lights.

I'm genuinely interested in which rules extend this to mention no movement, or exiting the box or yellow lines or in fact any of the practical issues that have been discussed.

Is there a sporting equivalent of the "technical directives" we hear about but never see?