Even though I really like Alonso and Kubica I think I wouldn't hire any of them.Phil wrote: ↑12 Jul 2017, 16:50I think Renault might take him back. But for how long? Much might depend on Kubica.
Think about it: if Kubica proves to be capable, it would be like making a childs dream come true. Back in F1. He'd show dedication, unquestionable work ethic, loyalty. Even if the car might not win GPs.
Would it be the same with Alonso? He had used Renault as a "scape goat" before. A means to bridge a gap. It benefitted both at the time, Alonso is ageing. He has the skill no doubt, but can anyone see him invest another 3 years into a team that is in build up? With a smile, patience and dedication? Is this what he has shown at Ferrari, the dream team of any driver? At McLaren?
If Renault doesnt perform, Alonso will be off at any opportunity, that is how much i would trust him IMO. Not that good on your CV.
Would you employ him?
I would, definitely. He's no different than any top driver. Imagine Vettel's reaction after being promised a car that would allow him to fight for wins and championship within 2-3 years and ending up in one that can barely make it into Q3 from time to time. I think he'd be frustrated as hell, he'd shout and he'd complain. A lot. Same as Hamilton. They wouldn't be top drivers if they wouldn't have that hunger in them and just drive for the paycheck.Phil wrote: ↑12 Jul 2017, 16:50Would it be the same with Alonso? He had used Renault as a "scape goat" before. A means to bridge a gap. It benefitted both at the time, Alonso is ageing. He has the skill no doubt, but can anyone see him invest another 3 years into a team that is in build up? With a smile, patience and dedication? Is this what he has shown at Ferrari, the dream team of any driver? At McLaren?
If Renault doesnt perform, Alonso will be off at any opportunity, that is how much i would trust him IMO. Not that good on your CV.
Would you employ him?
I think you underestimate Alonso. He was at Ferrari for 5 seasons. He knows too well about the prospect of winning and... not winning. Too well.alexx_88 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2017, 09:45I would, definitely. He's no different than any top driver. Imagine Vettel's reaction after being promised a car that would allow him to fight for wins and championship within 2-3 years and ending up in one that can barely make it into Q3 from time to time. I think he'd be frustrated as hell, he'd shout and he'd complain.
Let's analyse this statement:adrianjordan wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 09:38Given Alonso's former teams' usual performance after he leaves and his knack for leaving at just the wrong time....I kind of hope he switches teams again...as that will mean Honda finally get their PU sorted and Mclaren can get back to winning ways...
Though really I'd like to see Alonso win another title with Mclaren.
Spot on, i think. I personally think Renault will ride it out with Palmer, but for 2018 the focus will be on Kubica, if not already for this season after the summer. How better than to assess Kubica if not to put him into a race seat on a half season probation?Manoah2u wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 00:44So.
Sainz has not made good friends at RedBull and Toro Rosso with his criticism of Marko and Matechitz, rather a very very stupid move of him having in mind that other Spaniard that got sacked for being a bigmouth mr dj Jaime Alguersuari. Jaime's still butthurt and thinks F1 is no longer a sport with him out of it, but the example of opening your mouth to people like Marko and Matechitz were bad ideas.
Unless that is his plan all along, but he is now guaranteed to never end up at RB, imagine IF Max or DannyRic ends up at Ferrari or Mercedes next year, that'll be very sour for him.
Marko and Renault are now constemplating a transfer to replace complete waste of space Palmer and move Sainz to Renault as of Hungary. A 8 million transfer money is paired to that, question is, would Renault be even remotely interested in doing so ? Why would they hire openly critical Sainz that has made no friends in his team, notoriously had a bad friendship with the Verstappen camp, be interesting for renault? Whilst all signs show that Kubica WILL be there next year, perhaps even earlier?
I think Sainz could have dug his own grave in this, i think he is a very potent driver but somehow things went sour the past months and now he has nowhere left to go.
Gasly will be in his spot in Hungary. so where will he go?
Except after he left Renault they won races with, arguably, slower drivers.iotar__ wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 10:02Let's analyse this statement:adrianjordan wrote: ↑16 Jul 2017, 09:38Given Alonso's former teams' usual performance after he leaves and his knack for leaving at just the wrong time....I kind of hope he switches teams again...as that will mean Honda finally get their PU sorted and Mclaren can get back to winning ways...
Though really I'd like to see Alonso win another title with Mclaren.
- Minardi - Renault - better car
- Renault to McL - better car, joint best car
- McL to Renault - worse car but not a choice
- Renault to Ferrari - better car
- Ferrari to McL - worse car
Knack consisting of one item. Not bad, ~Sky Sports level of disinformation, usually it's worse here, like zero i.e. "Alonso will leave F1 mid season in '17"