2017 Malaysia Grand Prix - Sepang, 29 September-01 October

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cooken wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 08:47
Well pay more attention, Bottas is ~0.5s behind and Ham another couple tenths behind him.
Shock horror, times changed in the 20 mins between our posts. The track temp also went up a lot in between, with everyone slower, Verstappen very near the end now went slower than Ham. In order of the times the latest fastest laps were done I believe it was Ricciardo, Kimi, Vettel, Bottas, Ham, Verstappen, with the track getting hotter and slower over that period.

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Massive improvement from Mercedes 1.459 to 0.449, there will be more time to come from Q3 engine mode but I still think Ferrari have the edge in the short runs though.

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matt_b wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 08:59
Massive improvement from Mercedes 1.459 to 0.449, there will be more time to come from Q3 engine mode but I still think Ferrari have the edge in the short runs though.
Assuming they don't blow something, Vettel's engine didn't sound good at all.
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Just being factual, sorry for any implied snark.

Vettel with issues at the end of the session, had to limp the car to pits, 2nd gear <100kph.

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cooken wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 09:06
Just being factual, sorry for any implied snark.

Vettel with issues at the end of the session, had to limp the car to pits, 2nd gear <100kph.
bah no worries, sorry for the super tired crabbiness. The plan was to go to sleep and wake up for qualifying, but apparently tonight was one of those nights my body wasn't going to allow me to sleep, I've been up for far too long already.

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Its pretty clear that Vettel will get a penaly sooner or later. Bad news for him. It will be interesting to see how the new PU behaves.

Ferrari is looking very strong and they should get the pole because RB should not be a threat on q3. I am just waiting if Mercedes can deliver a little bit more and surprise us. Who was going to say that they were going to be off pace? what a surprise.

Is it going to rain on qualy? Lewis must be dancing and singing right now. :mrgreen:

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matt_b wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 08:59
Massive improvement from Mercedes 1.459 to 0.449, there will be more time to come from Q3 engine mode but I still think Ferrari have the edge in the short runs though.
The gaps between different teams have been smaller in general. Yesterdays difference was unreal. But as you have said Ferrari should have the edge here, I am curious to see if Mercedes can beat Red Bull on qualy.

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Why was the spec 4 planned for Suzuka, just simply to have a fresh engine at that track ? Or are they holding it back as long as possible as they are not happy with the spec 4 ?
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NathanOlder wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 09:36
Why was the spec 4 planned for Suzuka, just simply to have a fresh engine at that track ? Or are they holding it back as long as possible as they are not happy with the spec 4 ?
As a general rule, you want the best bits on the car all the time. It's a puzzle that, Ferrari has been holding their Spec 4 for such a long time. What if the current engine had survived another 24 hours before giving up? They should count themselves lucky.

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At the finish of FP3 when some teams did race sims laps Kimi was on average 7 tenths faster than Lewis and 9 tenths than Bottas ... but what was interesting to see was that Hamilton set his fastest lap of the day (1m32.539s) on the 8th lap of a 9 lap stint ...

So I think it`s down to fuel loads rather than real pace between teams so maybe Ferrari is opting for a 3 stop race and Merc for a 2 stop one? Maybe Merc is counting on their performance and knowledge on soft tyres (bearing in mind they are 2016 medium tyre compound which they excelled on last year and did very good performance lately ) but here they need a setup more towards to protect their rear tyres in order to have longer stints - as Paul di Resta said on Sky that this factor will be crucial in their final strategy decision - rather than concentrate on performance side ...

On Sky Johnny Herbert said Bottas went yesterday with the new updates and Lewis opted more to a Silverstone configuration (so Bottas took that new cape nose) and in FP3 he will be concentrated to cure those issues that arose in FP1&2 ...

And Ricci opted for a non T wing configuration car and Max for a Macca loop style ...
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matt_b wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 08:59
Massive improvement from Mercedes 1.459 to 0.449, there will be more time to come from Q3 engine mode but I still think Ferrari have the edge in the short runs though.
There was no massive improvement by Mercedes. Hamilton improved by .138 from P2 to P3. Vettel went .981 slower in P3 which created the illusion that Mercedes have improved. And Kimi did almost exactly the same time that he did in P2....nice try though : )

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GPR-A wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 09:51
NathanOlder wrote:
30 Sep 2017, 09:36
Why was the spec 4 planned for Suzuka, just simply to have a fresh engine at that track ? Or are they holding it back as long as possible as they are not happy with the spec 4 ?
As a general rule, you want the best bits on the car all the time. It's a puzzle that, Ferrari has been holding their Spec 4 for such a long time. What if the current engine had survived another 24 hours before giving up? They should count themselves lucky.
The later they introduce the engine the more they can push it and extract more juice as we approach tracks that may suit Mercedes (Suzuka for example). I don't believe the engine No.3 was close to its life cycle because they wouldn't risk it. Perhaps the damage in Singapore contributed because yesterday they were using a Friday engine (spec 2) and this morning was no.3's first outing since the crash.

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You only wonder if either:

A. they felt there was more work they could potentially do on the PU that would mean, when introduced in Suzuka, it would be a better engine (e.g maybe something they were working on to get round the oil issue?)

B. By introducing it later, they'd be able to run it harder and get a performance benefit from that in the run in

But agreed that it is curious - you'd think they'd want upgraded power here in Malaysia, if it was just sitting there, given the length of the straights.