2017 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 20-22 October

[notsofast]

This whole concept of "gaining an advantage" is rubbish. Everyone who leaves the track is gaining an advantage. Driver #1 worries about keeping his car within the track limits, and driver #2 does not. Of course driver #2 has a mental advantage. One less thing to worry about. Whether he gains time at that particular stage or not. He's more relaxed and might gain time somewhere else. Leaving the track should be penalized. Always. Or never. But I prefer always.

[NathanOlder]

Running wide on a turn all by yourself is not anything like what max did.

Basically he cut the corner to pass someone. As someone said, its not really any different to going straight on at a chicane.

Example, running wide on the exit at T3 in Barcelona or driving straight past the chicane at the end of the lap in Barcelona. You are basically saying they are the same.

[jjn9128]

My initial thought, live, was that Verstappen cut the track, and the on-board seemed to support that - however - there was another view they showed which looked like he has a wheel still over the line. Need to see a overhead or something to be certain.

[ringo]

I don't think the FIA is selective, we have seen where bottas left the track and gave back position to ricciardo, gaining a place by going off track is much different than going off track to get a little bit of lap time.

Great drive by max anyhow, but it begs the question if Kimi was trying to protect Vettel.

[NathanOlder]

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

Phil, Max didnt need to be here. He had room to keep wheels on the track

[Restomaniac]

This whole concept of "gaining an advantage" is rubbish. Everyone who leaves the track is gaining an advantage. Driver #1 worries about keeping his car within the track limits, and driver #2 does not. Of course driver #2 has a mental advantage. One less thing to worry about. Whether he gains time at that particular stage or not. He's more relaxed and might gain time somewhere else. Leaving the track should be penalized. Always. Or never. But I prefer always.

Exactly.
Instead the stewards have spent all weekend sleeping through drivers having all 4 wheels leaving the track and the with around 10 corners to go penalise someone for having all 4 wheels leaving the track.
The irony is that in here we have actually been talking about how lenient the stewards have been all weekend and suddenly they get tough on just 1 car. It's a BS ruling.

[jjn9128]

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

Phil, Max didnt need to be here. He had room to keep wheels on the track

Crickey! Fully deserved penalty then.

[Phil]

@Nathan,

Well on that picture it looked clear cut but on the on board, you can tell Max reacts to Kimi. On some level, these cars are traveling at very high speed. The gap looks big but considering the speed they are doing inside a corner, its rather small. A small swerve and they crash.

[Restomaniac]

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

Phil, Max didnt need to be here. He had room to keep wheels on the track

Well then it wasn't him leaving the track to overtake as the room was there. So he has just been penalised for leaving the track. Nice 1 stewards.

[NathanOlder]

This whole concept of "gaining an advantage" is rubbish. Everyone who leaves the track is gaining an advantage. Driver #1 worries about keeping his car within the track limits, and driver #2 does not. Of course driver #2 has a mental advantage. One less thing to worry about. Whether he gains time at that particular stage or not. He's more relaxed and might gain time somewhere else. Leaving the track should be penalized. Always. Or never. But I prefer always.

Exactly.
Instead the stewards have spent all weekend sleeping through drivers having all 4 wheels leaving the track and the with around 10 corners to go penalise someone for having all 4 wheels leaving the track.
The irony is that in here we have actually been talking about how lenient the stewards have been all weekend and suddenly they get tough on just 1 car. It's a BS ruling.

You cant honestly say Max should have been allowed to do what he did.

Dont get me wrong, Max drove awsome and fully deserved to be on the podium with the guts and determination he has shown today. But you just cant allow a car to go up the inside , off the track and CUT THE CORNER . Because thats exactly what he did. Its nothing like running wide on a corner exit. He cut the corner , fact.

[NathanOlder]

@Nathan,

Well on that picture it looked clear cut but on the on board, you can tell Max reacts to Kimi. On some level, these cars are traveling at very high speed. The gap looks big but considering the speed they are doing inside a corner, its rather small. A small swerve and they crash.

Yeah I agree, kimi moved and Max reacted. But after it all happened, Max should realise it was too much. And will accept the penalty. As everyone should do after seeing the cut. It wasa fully deserved penalty , And im.not blaming Max for trying it. It was worth a go. And he didnt lose anything for trying

[NathanOlder]

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

Phil, Max didnt need to be here. He had room to keep wheels on the track

Well then it wasn't him leaving the track to overtake as the room was there. So he has just been penalised for leaving the track. Nice 1 stewards.

He cut the corner. Its "Well done stewards"

[Restomaniac]

This whole concept of "gaining an advantage" is rubbish. Everyone who leaves the track is gaining an advantage. Driver #1 worries about keeping his car within the track limits, and driver #2 does not. Of course driver #2 has a mental advantage. One less thing to worry about. Whether he gains time at that particular stage or not. He's more relaxed and might gain time somewhere else. Leaving the track should be penalized. Always. Or never. But I prefer always.

Exactly.
Instead the stewards have spent all weekend sleeping through drivers having all 4 wheels leaving the track and the with around 10 corners to go penalise someone for having all 4 wheels leaving the track.
The irony is that in here we have actually been talking about how lenient the stewards have been all weekend and suddenly they get tough on just 1 car. It's a BS ruling.

You cant honestly say Max should have been allowed to do what he did.

Dont get me wrong, Max drove awsome and fully deserved to be on the podium with the guts and determination he has shown today. But you just cant allow a car to go up the inside , off the track and CUT THE CORNER . Because thats exactly what he did. Its nothing like running wide on a corner exit. He cut the corner , fact.

As you have just shown he had room so the pass would have worked anyway. As such it's for leaving the track. Top and bottom of it.

I agree he shouldn't but then again neither should cars be allowed to go 2 car widths wide in turn 10. THAT is why it's a selective rule and BS.

[Restomaniac]

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

http://picpaste.com/20171022_220532-2e6NH5J7.jpg

Phil, Max didnt need to be here. He had room to keep wheels on the track

Well then it wasn't him leaving the track to overtake as the room was there. So he has just been penalised for leaving the track. Nice 1 stewards.

He cut the corner. Its "Well done stewards"

Do you agree that he had room so the pass would have probably worked anyway?

[NathanOlder]

Well then it wasn't him leaving the track to overtake as the room was there. So he has just been penalised for leaving the track. Nice 1 stewards.

He cut the corner. Its "Well done stewards"

Do you agree that he had room so the pass would have probably worked anyway?

I think he could have squeezed through with 2 wheels on the track but he didn't. So its a penalty all day long.