2017 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 20-22 October

[cooken]

The real problem is we have a set of vaguely written rules, and a horrendously inconsistent application/enforcement of them. Therefore it's nearly impossible to use past judgements to make any kind of basis for how the rules should or will be interpreted. The FIA really need to think on how to improve on this...or just leave it as is to promote confusion and drama.
Poor if you ask me.

[Restomaniac]

I am amazed by the people arguing the penalty. You cannot cut a corner and overtake.

I know. And it only seems me to be arguing in favour of the stewards! !!

You seem to be arguing that the stewards got the Verstappen penalty right (which they did) which by default means they have been screwing up for EVERY car on EVERY lap all weekend.

THAT is incredibly selective.

I have been calling for the stewards to get a grip of this all weekend. They haven't but choose just 1 incident to hammer. That's BS.

[Spoutnik]

On another point, Ricciardo would have had 2nd today no problem if he was reliable. Lucky Vettel i guess

Yes, so disappointed for him... Was clearly on the best strategy when his engine failure came. Would have been a fun podium with him.
I'd say even Kimi had a better pace than Vettel, but Bottas blocked him + Ferrari team orders.

[CriXus]

I am amazed by the people arguing the penalty. You cannot cut a corner and overtake.

I know. And it only seems me to be arguing in favour of the stewards! !!

You seem to be arguing that the stewards got the Verstappen penalty right (which they did) which by default means they have been screwing up for EVERY car on EVERY lap all weekend.

THAT is incredibly selective.

I have been calling for the stewards to get a grip of this all weekend. They haven't but choose just 1 incident to hammer. That's BS.

Only Verstappen was so bold to cut a corner and overtake.

[GrandAxe]

If you are going to punish one driver, then punish all. Track limits were not enforced throughout the race, so why in the last few corners of the last lap after a storming run?
It all goes back to the stewards being so inconsistent with penalties that rule enforcement is now a lottery. Sometimes the stewards decisions seem to be determined by a desire to artificially preserve "the show", but this only destroys trust.

Its worse that this happened in the US where the F1 understanding and culture are still in their infancy.

Decision consistency is something F1 really needs to look at.

[zac510]

I am amazed by the people arguing the penalty. You cannot cut a corner and overtake.

I know. And it only seems me to be arguing in favour of the stewards! !!

You guys never been go-karting with your mates?

[F1NAC]

If you are going to punish one driver, then punish all. Track limits were not enforced throughout the race, so why in the last few corners of the last lap after a storming run?
It all goes back to the stewards being so inconsistent with penalties that rule enforcement is now a lottery. Sometimes the stewards decisions seem to be determined by a desire to artificially preserve "the show", but this only destroys trust.

Its worse that this happened in the US where the F1 understanding and culture are still in their infancy.

Decision consistency is something F1 really needs to look at.

Driver gained advantage during overtake. Same as vettel in germany 2012.

At least seb got taste of champagne back then before they relegated him

But i agree with you regarding on stewards incosistency. Put soussage kerbs there and amen

[Phil]

I think the problem is simple: the stewards have been very lenient with the track limits throughout the weekend and with that have set a precedent. So the inconcistency was only the one decision at the end...

[Edax]

Fully agree. As an F1 fan you can only object to this descision and give max the credit he deserves. Just look at Raikkonen his body language. Credit to him he knows that he was beaten fair and square and shouldn’t be on that podium.

It's no different to just driving straight through a chicane and then declaring how awesome an overtake it was.

I’d say it is different. 2 years ago Max had a great overtake in Blanchimont. I count it as one of the great overtakes ever. I frequent that track and in 40 years I have not seen anyone do anything like that. Yet officially it would not count as an overtake as he left the track with all fours.

Similarly look at Trulli in Grand Hotel. One of the best moves. Pity he damaged his suspension. Or mansell in suzuka.

Anyone can cut a chicane. Riding the curb at the limit of of grip at a point where going off line is not faster, takes supreme confidence in the car as well as your own skill. That is what defines a racer, and should not be penalized.

[Restomaniac]

I know. And it only seems me to be arguing in favour of the stewards! !!

You seem to be arguing that the stewards got the Verstappen penalty right (which they did) which by default means they have been screwing up for EVERY car on EVERY lap all weekend.

THAT is incredibly selective.

I have been calling for the stewards to get a grip of this all weekend. They haven't but choose just 1 incident to hammer. That's BS.

Only Verstappen was so bold to cut a corner and overtake.

Pictures show he probably had room to make it anyway. He was penalised JUST for leaving the track. All I'll say on that is turn 9 ALL damn weekend.

[void]

I am amazed by the people arguing the penalty. You cannot cut a corner and overtake.

If everyone is cutting this corner all weekend, yes you can cut and overtake. An advantage isn't only overtake, is gain time against you opponent making him not open DRS per example.

[Restomaniac]

I think the problem is simple: the stewards have been very lenient with the track limits throughout the weekend and with that have set a precedent. So the inconcistency was only the one decision at the end...

Exactly.

[NathanOlder]

If you are going to punish one driver, then punish all.

Exactly. Punish everyone who cuts a corner to overtake.

Running wide on exits has been happening forever in F1, especially since tarmac run offs were introduced.

Cutting on the inside of a corner to overtake must be punished every time.

Horner and Jos just need to accept the facts.

[Schuttelberg]

Mika Salo saying that Whiting made the call..

[Restomaniac]

If you are going to punish one driver, then punish all.

Exactly. Punish everyone who cuts a corner to overtake.

Running wide on exits has been happening forever in F1, especially since tarmac run offs were introduced.

Cutting on the inside of a corner to overtake must be punished every time.

Horner and Jos just need to accept the facts.

So we should only punish track limits when it suits?