2017 United States Grand Prix - COTA, 20-22 October

[NathanOlder]

Exactly.

Yes they are inconsistent. Everyone knows that and its BS as you say
But they have been very consistent on the topic of people cutting corners to overtake. Because every time its happened, the guy has been punished.

Ricciardo / Bottas? They were showing it post race numerous times. One time Bottas was off but came back and stuck along side and once the other way around.

I need to see that again. I've not seen any replays so cant comment, sorry.

[Restomaniac]

Yes they are inconsistent. Everyone knows that and its BS as you say
But they have been very consistent on the topic of people cutting corners to overtake. Because every time its happened, the guy has been punished.

But that's the problem. On corner A it's fine yet on corner B it's a penalty. It's BS as you agree.
We either punish track limits or we don't. That's the crux of the problem.
It's far to loose to personal opinion and that leads to bias slipping in. I'm not saying it is here but we need to be black and white on rules instead of the selective rubbish we have now.

Im fully in support of track limits being respected as i feel Vettel and Verstappen pushthe limits more than the rest.

You still have to see though, only 1 man cut a corner to pass someone. So only 1 man needes punishing

I don't agree. Everyone has been taking the whizz all weekend but only 1 man has been walloped for doing so.

[iNtek]

Where is the consistency ? They are making a mess at the FIA...

https://imgur.com/a/tx4LJ

https://imgur.com/4XL2YDU

[NathanOlder]

But that's the problem. On corner A it's fine yet on corner B it's a penalty. It's BS as you agree.
We either punish track limits or we don't. That's the crux of the problem.
It's far to loose to personal opinion and that leads to bias slipping in. I'm not saying it is here but we need to be black and white on rules instead of the selective rubbish we have now.

Im fully in support of track limits being respected as i feel Vettel and Verstappen pushthe limits more than the rest.

You still have to see though, only 1 man cut a corner to pass someone. So only 1 man needes punishing

I don't agree. Everyone has been taking the whizz all weekend but only 1 man has been walloped for doing so.

ONLY 1 MAN OVERTOOK WHILE CUTTING A CORNER ON THE INSIDE.

I cant be any clearer than that.

[iNtek]

Sainz did it, 4 wheels off. Even Vettel did it, 4 wheels off during the 1st corner overtake on HAM...

[Restomaniac]

Yes they are inconsistent. Everyone knows that and its BS as you say
But they have been very consistent on the topic of people cutting corners to overtake. Because every time its happened, the guy has been punished.

But that's the problem. On corner A it's fine yet on corner B it's a penalty. It's BS as you agree.
We either punish track limits or we don't. That's the crux of the problem.
It's far to loose to personal opinion and that leads to bias slipping in. I'm not saying it is here but we need to be black and white on rules instead of the selective rubbish we have now.

Track limits isn't the main issue. it's gaining an advantage over a competitor. If Max was following kimi and they both cut the corner, the fia would let it pass until they do it 3 times each.
During an overtake is a different story. You know this i would assume, but may be a bit emotional because of the shock of max not getting rewarded for a good drive.

As has been pointed out he actually did have room anyway. Therefore the penalty is because of track limits.

[NathanOlder]

@iNtek
Not on the inside disld they ?

[NathanOlder]

But that's the problem. On corner A it's fine yet on corner B it's a penalty. It's BS as you agree.
We either punish track limits or we don't. That's the crux of the problem.
It's far to loose to personal opinion and that leads to bias slipping in. I'm not saying it is here but we need to be black and white on rules instead of the selective rubbish we have now.

Track limits isn't the main issue. it's gaining an advantage over a competitor. If Max was following kimi and they both cut the corner, the fia would let it pass until they do it 3 times each.
During an overtake is a different story. You know this i would assume, but may be a bit emotional because of the shock of max not getting rewarded for a good drive.

As has been pointed out he actually did have room anyway. Therefore the penalty is because of track limits.

If he had room then it makes it worse. He wasnt forced off and he chose to cut the corner on purpose? ??

[sosic2121]

If you are going to punish one driver, then punish all.

Exactly. Punish everyone who cuts a corner to overtake.

Running wide on exits has been happening forever in F1, especially since tarmac run offs were introduced.

Cutting on the inside of a corner to overtake must be punished every time.

Horner and Jos just need to accept the facts.

So we should only punish track limits when it suits?

You have to understand that he made illegal overtake.

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@iNtek
Not on the inside disld they ?

Does it matter if it’s inside or outside?

[NathanOlder]

Yes i think it does. On the inside it cutting the corner. Making the lap shorter. Much worse than on the outside. Surely we have to agree on that ?

[Silent Storm]

A driver is allowed to leave the track and rejoin without penalty, providing he does so safely and providing he does not gain an advantage. Is this too difficult to understand?

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I mean 4 wheels off track is 4 wheels off, where’d its inside or outside.. Bottas, Sainz, Vettel all did it...

Edit:
And gained an advantage and didn’t have the place back

[TwanV]

But that's the problem. On corner A it's fine yet on corner B it's a penalty. It's BS as you agree.
We either punish track limits or we don't. That's the crux of the problem.
It's far to loose to personal opinion and that leads to bias slipping in. I'm not saying it is here but we need to be black and white on rules instead of the selective rubbish we have now.

Im fully in support of track limits being respected as i feel Vettel and Verstappen pushthe limits more than the rest.

You still have to see though, only 1 man cut a corner to pass someone. So only 1 man needes punishing

I don't agree. Everyone has been taking the whizz all weekend but only 1 man has been walloped for doing so.

Exactly, count the amount of times sainz and Perez were off the track with all 4 wheels in their toss. It was brilliant but illegal too. Shall we clamp down on the cool stuff because the rules say so? No please.
I'm quite surprised by the decision. Kimi's tires were shot, his fuel low and max got by him on traction. Cutting a corner had nothing to do with it. In fact it was the most safe and sensible thing to do. Shame.

[NathanOlder]

I mean 4 wheels off track is 4 wheels off, where’d its inside or outside.. Bottas, Sainz, Vettel all did it...

Not like max they didnt