2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[loner]

ALO performance was very strong today how come ?
if he set a time in Q2 and Q3 he could start p3 .. mclaren-honda always find time in Q2
if this strong performance is due to new setup of the chassis , aero and suspension parts so ain't it fair to say honda PU is more powerful than what we see with mclaren, in other words mclaren hampering the power unit

[j.yank]

If they have the best car it means that their chassis is about one second quicker than RedBull's. C'mon ...

How did you work that out?.

In USA they were 2 sec behind the top teams, now they are less than 1 sec behind them. If Honda were 2 sec behind top engines in USA but McLaren chassis were equal to the top cars in USA (there were a lot of speculations about this), now McLaren is 1 sec ahead of RedBull. If not, we should admit that Honda had gained more than 1 sec. Choose what suits you.

[Dipesh1995]

He clearly meant the chassis, not the car. It even says in the article if you look past the headline.

[zoroastar]

the reason he did so well is that he got a tow from vandorne down the front straight of sector 1. that gave him an extra 4 mph. so actually, that was mclaren trying to HELP the honda power unit. unfortunately it wouldnt have mattered either way, because they are on their zillionth honda pu this season.

ALO performance was very strong today how come ?
if he set a time in Q2 and Q3 he could start p3 .. mclaren-honda always find time in Q2
if this strong performance is due to new setup of the chassis , aero and suspension parts so ain't it fair to say honda PU is more powerful than what we see with mclaren, in other words mclaren hampering the power unit

[loner]

the reason he did so well is that he got a tow from vandorne down the front straight of sector 1. that gave him an extra 4 mph. so actually, that was mclaren trying to HELP the honda power unit. unfortunately it wouldnt have mattered either way, because they are on their zillionth honda pu this season.

ALO performance was very strong today how come ?
if he set a time in Q2 and Q3 he could start p3 .. mclaren-honda always find time in Q2
if this strong performance is due to new setup of the chassis , aero and suspension parts so ain't it fair to say honda PU is more powerful than what we see with mclaren, in other words mclaren hampering the power unit

nope he did 2 flyers with a very close timing if he got a tow in one flying lap well he did the same time without a tow in the second flying lap.
i think he even improved in the second flying lap iirc.

[loner]

in Q1\8:00 ALO did 1:17:9
Q1\00 ALO did 1:17:7
last flyer had this order : VAN - STROLL - ERICSON - ALO

[rogazilla]

In this sense I am glad he didn’t get spec 4. Given the same engine spec 3.8 and with new chassis update he got to 1 second behind. Although different track probably can’t compare like that but if aero on vandorne brings him within a second of top team the next races. Maybe the PU is not that bad power wise. Although race distance and reliability is still very suspect.

[zoroastar]

and this proves that mclaren is the cause of hondas lack of speed how? im sure that its possible that when mclaren began to realize that they wouldnt be running honda next year, they may have decided to stick to a path that they had planned when they thought that they would have a competitive PU this year. why would they spend time and resources trimming downforce from their car when this year was shot from the first test? the fact is the mclaren car is very competitive pretty much everywhere except on the straights. nobody knows how good until they have equal power. hopefully honda will make big improvement over the winter like they did in 2016.

the reason he did so well is that he got a tow from vandorne down the front straight of sector 1. that gave him an extra 4 mph. so actually, that was mclaren trying to HELP the honda power unit. unfortunately it wouldnt have mattered either way, because they are on their zillionth honda pu this season.

ALO performance was very strong today how come ?
if he set a time in Q2 and Q3 he could start p3 .. mclaren-honda always find time in Q2
if this strong performance is due to new setup of the chassis , aero and suspension parts so ain't it fair to say honda PU is more powerful than what we see with mclaren, in other words mclaren hampering the power unit

nope he did 2 flyers with a very close timing if he got a tow in one flying lap well he did the same time without a tow in the second flying lap.
i think he even improved in the second flying lap iirc.

[loner]

and this proves that mclaren is the cause of hondas lack of speed how?

in the same sense of STR and RBR running the same PU.. iam just wondering why with a different set up and new parts the car was fast

In this sense I am glad he didn’t get spec 4. Given the same engine spec 3.8 and with new chassis update he got to 1 second behind.

remember he didn't set time in Q2 Honda give the max power always in Q2 not Q1
ALO said he qualified with spec 3.7 .. i scratched my head and for the first time since 2015 in a 36 months iam asking my self what if we put the Honda PU in a Red Bull car.

[fellowhoodlums]

Has anyone gotten information as to what the 3.8 change from 3.7 is? A small change we all know but what was it?

Someone mentioned cylinder head is that right? A mid-step to the v4? ie small improvement that is used to test the durability of the structure before proceeding with next step?

[mclaren111]

Car looked amazing, kudos.

Very impressive how they're working the tyres all year no matter the conditions.

Spot on !!!!

Only team this year not complaining about tyres all the time every race

[diffuser]

Right now the Honda PU nemesis is full throttle time. Longer the track and more full throttle time, the more time they run without mgu-k being powered.

Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez – circuit information
Lap length 4.304km (2.674 miles)
Fastest lap 1’19.480 (Nico Rosberg, 2015, qualifying three)
Full throttle 45%

Circuit of the Americas – circuit information
Lap length 5.513km (3.426 miles)
Fastest lap 1’34.999 (Lewis Hamilton, 2016, qualifying three)
Full throttle 59%

Suzuka - circuit information
Lap length 5.807km (3.608 miles)
Fastest lap 1’28.954 (Michael Schumacher, 2006, qualifying two)
Full throttle 66%

Monaco - Circuit information
Lap length 3.337km (2.074 miles)
Fastest lap 1’13.622 (Daniel Ricciardo, 2016, qualifying three)
Full throttle 34%


Hungaroring – circuit information
Lap length 4.381km (2.722 miles)
Fastest lap 1’18.436 (Rubens Barrichello, 2004, qualifying one)
Full throttle 44%

[rogazilla]

and this proves that mclaren is the cause of hondas lack of speed how? ...

You answered your own question. Given Honda PU is a constant in this race 3.7/3.8 the only thing changed is the chassis update regardless what direction it is 2017/2018 Car. The fact is the car is closer to the top teams which means the aero was holding the Car back.

Again whether Honda can sustain that speed over race distance and the reliability is still a Honda problem. But power over one lap maybe it is not as bad as we thought.

[diffuser]

and this proves that mclaren is the cause of hondas lack of speed how? ...

You answered your own question. Given Honda PU is a constant in this race 3.7/3.8 the only thing changed is the chassis update regardless what direction it is 2017/2018 Car. The fact is the car is closer to the top teams which means the aero was holding the Car back.

Again whether Honda can sustain that speed over race distance and the reliability is still a Honda problem. But power over one lap maybe it is not as bad as we thought.

track changed significantly.

[rogazilla]

Right now the Honda PU nemesis is full throttle time. Longer the track and more full throttle time, the more time they run without ...

Thank you that’s great info! I guess back to square one on this PU chassis chicken or egg discussion