2017 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Renault

[thelimey]

Would Red Bull then recall Sainz from his loan in retaliation of Renault withholding engine components?

[etusch]

Some big trouble brewing between Toro Rosso and Renault. Seriously angry Renault threatened to pull the engines out of Toro Rosso for this race and the next.

Toro Rosso accuse Renault for giving them dud engines to get Renault in front of Toro Rosso in the constructors

I wonder what will happen when Mclaren and Renault are so close in WCC as points?

[Fulcrum]

Red Bull Honda next year anyone? [just joking]

[etusch]

Red Bull Honda next year anyone? [just joking]

It would be great for me ?

[Phil]

Some big trouble brewing between Toro Rosso and Renault. Seriously angry Renault threatened to pull the engines out of Toro Rosso for this race and the next.

Toro Rosso accuse Renault for giving them dud engines to get Renault in front of Toro Rosso in the constructors

Apparently, there's a shortage of parts from Renault. With the many engine failures they've had, it's said that they can not supply teams with an engine if another one fails. Even the parts are running short.

Since Torro Rosso is in close contention with Renault in the WCC, one can imagine how ugly the whole affair could become...

[gandharva]

In your face Cyril!

[godlameroso]

Honda is getting a sneak peek as to what kind of settings Renault is using, Renault doesn't want TR to use Honda prescribed settings maybe?

[HPD]

"The statement was a reaction to Cyril's interview yesterday, where he blamed the team for the power unit failures, which is absolutely wrong," Tost told Sky Sports.

"If we do something which is not okay then we tell it, but MGU-H failure or shaft failure is nothing to do with installation of the power unit.

"The fact is that we don't get new parts, we are just changing old parts from one power unit to the other, therefore we are suffering and therefore we have reliability issues.

"We are also not happy about this as we pay a lot of money, we just expect new, good material.

"If we change the power unit, I expect getting all the grid penalties that we get a new power unit with new MGU-H, MGU-K, new turbo, all these parts should be new, then we don't have a problem.

"If we change from one old engine to other old parts then you cannot expect [that] the reliability reaches a high level."

When pressed further on Renault wanting an apology, Tost replied: "What should I apologise for? For all the damages we have?

"I am also upset, then both [of us] are upset. Who started all this nonsense? Cyril yesterday with his stupid interview.

"Should I say, 'Oh fine, good interview from him, we accept it'?, No we don't accept it. Therefore we came out with our statement. That's it, nothing [more] to say."

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[Redragon]

Toro Rosso could run the Honda spec 4 for last race if Renault continues to be cocky!
It would be a nice test towards 2018.
In any case seeing the reavility from Renault as Honda this year will be not much difference on the championship this year for them if they do that

[lio007]

Toro Rosso could run the Honda spec 4 for last race if Renault continues to be cocky!
It would be a nice test towards 2018.
In any case seeing the reavility from Renault as Honda this year will be not much difference on the championship this year for them if they do that

Absolutely impossible to replace the Renault PU with the Honda in this short period of time!

[Artur Craft]

Renault is such an incompetent company, I'm glad Toro Rosso didn't accept it's BS and showed them up to everybody.

[Restomaniac]

Toro Rosso could run the Honda spec 4 for last race if Renault continues to be cocky!
It would be a nice test towards 2018.
In any case seeing the reavility from Renault as Honda this year will be not much difference on the championship this year for them if they do that

Absolutely impossible to replace the Renault PU with the Honda in this short period of time!

Which is why Liberty want standard dimensions and fixing points.
It stops teams being in this situation. Also in a counter-wise way it means engine suppliers can actually play hard ball knowing they are not shafting a team into oblivion if they pull their engines as someone (engine manufactures) will always taking the extra monies if they become available and they can supply.

[etusch]

Which is why Liberty want standard dimensions and fixing points.
It stops teams being in this situation. Also in a counter-wise way it means engine suppliers can actually play hard ball knowing they are not shafting a team into oblivion if they pull their engines as someone (engine manufactures) will always taking the extra monies if they become available and they can supply.

Fia, liberty or whatever. They are in wrong way. It is the time power gaps will be closer but this time they turn the way which will make merc a step forward with 3 pu per year. In motogp things work opposite. When MM winning all the race there is disc rules mandating bigger discs for some races and smaller for others. With bigger discs Yamaha was closer to honda. Then dorna allowed bigger discs for all races, so it brings competition to the season. Before open ecu rule for every team, there is a rule allowing to use softer tyres to open ecu users which are not allowed to teams producing their own ecus. In the same time open ecu users have 5 liter more fuel capasity. All these are making the teams in the serie competitive.

F1 is a marketing place from some point of view. Renault can not insult Toro Rosso so open but also Redbul can't insult Renault as they did. And this is same for Mclaren too.
İf that standart installation points are currently appliable mclaren were move Renault from the start of season or a bit later. This would be bad for Honda and bad for whoever thinks to come F1. I think there must something like that objectivly prevent teams to act the way whatever they want.

[Restomaniac]

Which is why Liberty want standard dimensions and fixing points.
It stops teams being in this situation. Also in a counter-wise way it means engine suppliers can actually play hard ball knowing they are not shafting a team into oblivion if they pull their engines as someone (engine manufactures) will always taking the extra monies if they become available and they can supply.

Fia, liberty or whatever. They are in wrong way. It is the time power gaps will be closer but this time they turn the way which will make merc a step forward with 3 pu per year. In motogp think works opposite. When MM winning all the race there is disc rules mandating bigger discs for some races and smaller others. With bigger discs Yamaha was closer to honda. Then dorna allowed bigger discs for all race so it brings competition to season. Before open ecu rule, there is a rule allowing to use softer tyres to open ecu users which are not allowed to teams producing their own ecus. In the same time open ecu users have 5 liter more fuel capasity. All these are making the teams in the serie competitive.

F1 is a marketing place from some point of view. Renault can not insult Toro Rosso so open but also Redbul can't insult Renault as they did. And this is same for Mclaren too.
İf that standart installation points are currently appliable mclaren were move Renault from the start of season or a bit later. This would be bad for Honda and bad for whoever thinks to come F1. I think there must something like that objectivly prevent teams to act the way whatever they want.

Standard mounting, dimensions and simpler engines bring more manufactures in to the sport it also stops an engine manufacturer dominating like Mercedes are.

[ringo]

Getting rid of the MGUH always eases the pain going forward.
Anyhow renault seems to be stretched thing at their factory. They need to increase their resources to supply three top ten teams next year.