Will the relationship between engine manufacturer Honda and client team Toro Rosso be one-way traffic, or will the noses of Red Bull Racing be heading in the same direction? The latter seems more and more the case.
"We are currently working closely with Honda and Toro Rosso to ensure that it becomes a competitive package," Marko confirmed in conversation with Sky. "We are very pleased with the steps that Honda will make and will make before the new season starts. We are willing to help Honda so that the technical possibilities are fully utilized. We can offer facilities such as Red Bull Technology, for example. "That is the organization responsible for the construction of the Red Bull Racing Formula 1 cars.
With that, Marko hints that the cooperation between Red Bull and Honda goes beyond the Toro Rosso project: "We hope to make a significant step forward", added Marko about the hope for 2018. "We follow the development and halfway next year we take a decision. "So it seems that Red Bull regards Honda as a serious option for 2019, since Renault does not want to extend the contract that expires at the end of '19. Mercedes and Ferrari seem not interested in delivering engines to the big rival, leaving few options left.
The big chance is that Red Bull Racing will drive Japanese engines in 2019, Marko did not want to say. The formation from Milton Keynes seems to assume that Honda will make a big step forward next year. Otherwise they would not invest in the project and offer the facilities, because Toro Rosso is not important and big enough for that.
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Why do people even think Toro Rosso has a chance of beating McLaren and Renault. You must be delusional or completely blind. Toro Rosso has less money, less staff, less power, less facilities and average drivers. Just look at their current chassis, it's terrible.
You sir are delusional for thinking the torro rosso chassis is bad. With the same engine as Renault they out performed them until carlos left for the Factory Renault team. All of Torro Rosso's problems were purely Renault related and nothing at all to do with the chassis,especially the last few races where the torro rosso could barely compete on equal terms due to Renault giving them spare parts for a power unit.RonDennis wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 03:15Why do people even think Toro Rosso has a chance of beating McLaren and Renault. You must be delusional or completely blind. Toro Rosso has less money, less staff, less power, less facilities and average drivers. Just look at their current chassis, it's terrible.
I'll very much look forward to revisiting this post in around 12 monthsGerhardsa wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 09:49Lol
STR will fight with Sauber next year, despite their chassis. Sure they might come back through the field later in the year, IF the Honda power unit can deliver or get closer to Renault.
Also, you are assuming Renault will be standing still on engine dev and chassis dev which they wont I promise you that. The same for McLaren. STR wont be close to McLaren next year. I am pretty sure that is a given and I suspect Renault will be right there are well. I think they will be 2 of the top 5 times in 2018.
STR, back of the grid with Sauber
Since when has Renault moved forward. They went backwards throughout 2017 and only the amazing Max and Dan in the RB13 allowed them to have 3 victories. You Mclaren fan boys will be in for a surprise next year when your team will be shown up for the fakes they are. Only Red Bull has gotten the Renault to victory lane and that isn't changing in 2018.Gerhardsa wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 09:49Lol
STR will fight with Sauber next year, despite their chassis. Sure they might come back through the field later in the year, IF the Honda power unit can deliver or get closer to Renault.
Also, you are assuming Renault will be standing still on engine dev and chassis dev which they wont I promise you that. The same for McLaren. STR wont be close to McLaren next year. I am pretty sure that is a given and I suspect Renault will be right there are well. I think they will be 2 of the top 5 times in 2018.
STR, back of the grid with Sauber
You can't even spell Toro Rosso right, which proves my point that you know nothing. You just think that you can just exchange parts between teams, if that was the case Toro Rosso would be right there with Red Bull, wouldn't they, since they were running exactly the same engines. James Key is a replacement option for Adrian Newey? So what? Vandoorne is a replacement option for Alonso as a first driver, that doesn't make him as good. Toro Rosso even admitted that their development was poor, even with the magical James Key. Toro Rosso operates at a smaller budget and they don't have more then enough money to do whatever they want, even with Red Bull backing.carisi2k wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 09:25You sir are delusional for thinking the torro rosso chassis is bad. With the same engine as Renault they out performed them until carlos left for the Factory Renault team. All of Torro Rosso's problems were purely Renault related and nothing at all to do with the chassis,especially the last few races where the torro rosso could barely compete on equal terms due to Renault giving them spare parts for a power unit.RonDennis wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 03:15Why do people even think Toro Rosso has a chance of beating McLaren and Renault. You must be delusional or completely blind. Toro Rosso has less money, less staff, less power, less facilities and average drivers. Just look at their current chassis, it's terrible.
Torro Rosso are supported by Red Bull and that means they have more then enough money and know how from Red Bull to be more then capable of challenging McLaren and Renault if the Honda engine has made the gains being talked about. They get the red bull gearbox for nothing and probably the red bull rear end. James Key is a replacement option for Adrian Newey should he retire. The 2018 TR will be a test bench for when Red Bull have to move to Honda in 2019. So it is going to get a lot of development parts throughout 2018. Oh and they don't have to pay for engines in 2018 either.
Are you seriously asking when Renault has moved forward? They were the 4th fastest team in Abu Dhabi, while Toro Rosso was fighting with Sauber. Delusional fanboy.carisi2k wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 11:52Since when has Renault moved forward. They went backwards throughout 2017 and only the amazing Max and Dan in the RB13 allowed them to have 3 victories. You Mclaren fan boys will be in for a surprise next year when your team will be shown up for the fakes they are. Only Red Bull has gotten the Renault to victory lane and that isn't changing in 2018.Gerhardsa wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 09:49Lol
STR will fight with Sauber next year, despite their chassis. Sure they might come back through the field later in the year, IF the Honda power unit can deliver or get closer to Renault.
Also, you are assuming Renault will be standing still on engine dev and chassis dev which they wont I promise you that. The same for McLaren. STR wont be close to McLaren next year. I am pretty sure that is a given and I suspect Renault will be right there are well. I think they will be 2 of the top 5 times in 2018.
STR, back of the grid with Sauber
Torro Rosso on the other hand will have the full resources of Red Bull and Honda and the knowledge that 2018 has no pressure on them to achieve any thing because they have an inferior Honda engine.
Make a note of it.Webber2011 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 10:07I'll very much look forward to revisiting this post in around 12 monthsGerhardsa wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 09:49Lol
STR will fight with Sauber next year, despite their chassis. Sure they might come back through the field later in the year, IF the Honda power unit can deliver or get closer to Renault.
Also, you are assuming Renault will be standing still on engine dev and chassis dev which they wont I promise you that. The same for McLaren. STR wont be close to McLaren next year. I am pretty sure that is a given and I suspect Renault will be right there are well. I think they will be 2 of the top 5 times in 2018.
STR, back of the grid with Sauber
A good honest comment to read.McHonda wrote: ↑13 Dec 2017, 11:56I'm a bit pessimistic about it to be honest. Sauber get a nice 2018 Ferrari unit and an incredibly talented driver next year. STR get a worse engine and the same drivers. It's not looking great to be honest. The previous regulations chassis was impressive considering budget but I can't say the same for this one so far but maybe they'll improve over the winter and impress but it's a big ask.
No chance they get near McLaren and especially Alonso though. He was beating them comfortably by seasons end with a worse engine so having a better one this time is hardly going to send him backwards. Force India and their talented drivers will have trouble beating McLaren never mind Toro Rosso and their underwhelming line up.
Same for Renault, they're getting better all the time,they've got better drivers,better engine,better chassis and win every time they enter so aiming for them is a bit much for STR imo.
Sauber and Haas have to be the target and to be honest they'll have the weakest driver line up and the weakest engine so it'll have to be one hell of a car for Toro Rosso to come out on top but I think 8th is possible if everything goes to plan. Above that would depend on what happens at Williams driver wise but maybe if it's an underwhelming line-up then 7th is possible again but even with Verstappen and Sainz Jr pushing development it would be a big ask.
On the Honda side I'm just hoping they can show enough to convince Red Bull or even Williams to give them a crack for 2019 but perhaps that's a year too soon.
