Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[loner]

well perhaps you do live on cloud number 9 claiming innovations in the pipeline that you highly doubt the other manufacturers will have in 2018 or ever for that matter
i'll believe it when i see it.

I don't live on cloud number 9 but I hear it is a nice neighborhood. "Ever" meaning under this current PU formula (2020). We now have a very good idea what the other 3 have been doing with regards to what people are calling "TJI" although it's really not TJI but similar, and what HRD will bring with it's on unique combustion process that cannot be easily duplicated.

It's always nice to read your posts, they are clearly from someone who is knowledgeable and polite. Yet I think that you suffer from the same problem as I do, eternal optimism. I mean since 2015 I am reading these sorts os sentences saying that there is a new uptdate that will skyrocket Honda to be competitive but every time it hits the track it's a massive blunder. Hope this time the one but I think I need to be more careful with expectations tbh.

I also highly doubt McLaren will switch engine suppliers nor will it take Honda 4 to 5 years without a podium. McLaren Honda will be on the podium in 2016.

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[Wazari]

If you don't suffer from eternal optimism then you don't belong in auto-racing. Also back in 2015, I was pretty sure that McLaren Honda would have grabbed a couple of podiums in 2016.

The reason I don't think the combustion process design will be duplicated is that after numerous patent searches, I have applied for six different patents for this design.

[Maritimer]

Height-wise, the "shortest" crankshafts would be flat-plane and 0-degee. I don't know if exhaust frequency analysis bore this out or not.

The difference would be obvious to the ear.

Would sound like a Porsche flat six no?

[gruntguru]

Not really. The 90 degree V6 with zero degree crank will be half "big bangs" (2 cyl firing together) and half "small bangs" (1 cyl firing). On top of that the intervals would not be even. Two possible scenarios:

BANG, 90*, bang, 270*, bang, 90* BANG, 270*
BANG, 90*, BANG, 270*, bang, 90* bang, 270*

[Wouter]

The reason I don't think the combustion process design will be duplicated is that after numerous patent searches, I have applied for six different patents for this design.

Thank you for your information Wazari. Great to hear this.

[OO7]

I thought patents didn't really apply to F1? I guess because manufacturers do sell there PUs to customer teams, that a patent could be used to protect IP. On the chassis side it'd probably be less useful.

[godlameroso]

A patent is just an idea waiting to be copied. You don't see many patents in f1 for that very reason.

[Craigy]

I thought patents didn't really apply to F1? I guess because manufacturers do sell there PUs to customer teams, that a patent could be used to protect IP. On the chassis side it'd probably be less useful.

Patents don't stop other people from using inventions, they just ensure that the original patentee benefits from that usage. There are laws about licensing of IP from patents (basically, you cannot set a price so high as to exclude people from reuse).

Patents generally have to be explicit enough to demonstrate a concept, but they don't have to be so detailed as to give away all of the tricks required to get something to work or be practical. Generally they tend to be written by engineers in a draft format, then handed off to an IP law specialist who will rewrite the content into something legally defensible, but which is often utter garbage to engineers.

As you may detect from my tone in this reply, I have some experience with this.

[OO7]

Thanks Craigy. I forgot about patents not actually preventing use.

[PlatinumZealot]

I thought patents didn't really apply to F1? I guess because manufacturers do sell there PUs to customer teams, that a patent could be used to protect IP. On the chassis side it'd probably be less useful.

Patents don't stop other people from using inventions, they just ensure that the original patentee benefits from that usage. There are laws about licensing of IP from patents (basically, you cannot set a price so high as to exclude people from reuse).

Patents generally have to be explicit enough to demonstrate a concept, but they don't have to be so detailed as to give away all of the tricks required to get something to work or be practical. Generally they tend to be written by engineers in a draft format, then handed off to an IP law specialist who will rewrite the content into something legally defensible, but which is often utter garbage to engineers.

As you may detect from my tone in this reply, I have some experience with this.

What is the fastest way to make a patent? Who can I talk to? I don't have loads of cash though. Anyone feel free to PM me on this. My invention is all sketches on some old scrap paper, but...

[Sieper]

I thought patents didn't really apply to F1? I guess because manufacturers do sell there PUs to customer teams, that a patent could be used to protect IP. On the chassis side it'd probably be less useful.

Patents don't stop other people from using inventions, they just ensure that the original patentee benefits from that usage. There are laws about licensing of IP from patents (basically, you cannot set a price so high as to exclude people from reuse).

Patents generally have to be explicit enough to demonstrate a concept, but they don't have to be so detailed as to give away all of the tricks required to get something to work or be practical. Generally they tend to be written by engineers in a draft format, then handed off to an IP law specialist who will rewrite the content into something legally defensible, but which is often utter garbage to engineers.

As you may detect from my tone in this reply, I have some experience with this.

In his younger years Einstein was employed determining if Patents were valid or not, it is said this was an excellent step to hone his own skills, his thinking and was imperative to what he achieved later on in life.

[dren]

I thought patents didn't really apply to F1? I guess because manufacturers do sell there PUs to customer teams, that a patent could be used to protect IP. On the chassis side it'd probably be less useful.

Patents don't stop other people from using inventions, they just ensure that the original patentee benefits from that usage. There are laws about licensing of IP from patents (basically, you cannot set a price so high as to exclude people from reuse).

Patents generally have to be explicit enough to demonstrate a concept, but they don't have to be so detailed as to give away all of the tricks required to get something to work or be practical. Generally they tend to be written by engineers in a draft format, then handed off to an IP law specialist who will rewrite the content into something legally defensible, but which is often utter garbage to engineers.

As you may detect from my tone in this reply, I have some experience with this.

What is the fastest way to make a patent? Who can I talk to? I don't have loads of cash though. Anyone feel free to PM me on this. My invention is all sketches on some old scrap paper, but...

It's pretty much a racket. You can submit your own, but chances of getting a patent without legal being involved is low.

[bigblue]

So wazari, why would you patent technologies used in F1 ? Doesn't that make all your "secrets" public ?

[63l8qrrfy6]

Didn't Honda release a patent related to MGUH as well ? That didn't seem to help them last year

[roon]

None of this is road relevant. In a road car, you wouldn't pulse an MG with another MG before sending energy to an ES; you'd send it straight to the ES.

This is what I like about having a split MGU-H--no switching. Earlier I was suggesting to have one end of the -H as the generator stator, the other as the motor stator, sharing a common rotor. The generator side could drag against the motor-side efforts any time the K sends excess power to the M-side of the H. Continuous generating while continuously motoring.

Apparently this exists on one of the Formula E cars.