No More Grid Girls - replaced by Grid Kids

[hurril]

In your opinion and this is the point. There are plenty of sources that say it is and plenty that say it isn't those are backed by the fact that the timeline doesn't work.

Point is it's a spilt opinion and could be argued either way. However what cannot be argued is that the post you originally replied to was totally 100% about social media. You were so quick to jump on it that it didn't occur to you that there isn't 100% agreement on your point.

No, that is not an opinion of mine, it's a classification that has practical value and is used by others. You opposing it is based on your opinion of forums as not social media. I have no vested interest in forum classification; you have when you choose to respond to the blatant contradiction.

You are the one claiming that a shovel is not a kind of spade. A spade is a spade to me.

But it is. You have decided that an argument for a classification that suits you is correct when other arguments disagree with that classification. Because it suits your argument.

Good luck trying to clear snow off a path with a spade.

I am using a commonplace classification, you are arguing against its practical usefulness without anything material. Things don't turn into opinions just because that would suit you; you are inventing a false dichotomy here in a very liberal way in that everything is an opinion and thusly never wrong. Making this out to be a 50/50 thing because you and I are two people that argue opposing views is a fallacy. One of us can be wrong, one of us could be more right, there could be a number of different answers out of which you have one and I another. So no, this is not a matter of opinion.

You could make the exact same argument had the guy argued that Facebook is not an example of a social media. Do you understand this? This implies that your argument has no merit.

[FrukostScones]

Superb - great solution to the problem. Gives kids a chance to get close to their heroes, and stops pushing the sport as being an old-boys club quite so much.

Yeah, but only the old boys offspring will have the chance to be a grid brat.

[NathanOlder]

Totally agree with that one dans79.

As for me wanting the grid girls back, its not to simply look at, its because its tradition. And I love tradition and history. The same reason I'm against the Halo. Fully open cockpits is tradition. Another example is Ferrari, I've never been a fan or liked them, but the sport needs them and they are a huge part of the sports history and tradition. Monaco is a perfect example, for todays F1 track its the biggest pile of puss on the calendar but its traditional and needs to stay on the calendar.

I like tradition, so I'm all for keeping anything traditional and the Grid girls are exactly that.

[dobbster71]

I find it interesting that Liberty Media, as owners of the Atlanta Braves, haven't replaced the Tomahawk Team. Surely a case of double standards, non??

https://www.mlb.com/braves/fans/enterta ... ahawk-team

[Fulcrum]

I find it interesting that Liberty Media, as owners of the Atlanta Braves, haven't replaced the Tomahawk Team. Surely a case of double standards, non??

https://www.mlb.com/braves/fans/enterta ... ahawk-team

Yes, and we still race in Bahrain and Abu Dhabi, not exactly role models for human rights, specifically feminine ones. Extend that argument to include freedom of speech and you'd have to question China and Russia's place on the calendar as well.

This is the aspect that feels like moral posturing. Liberty are happy to promote these territories because they currently don't rock the boat of popular outrage. Woman earning money by being attractive - that's wrong.

[bonjon1979]

I find it interesting that Liberty Media, as owners of the Atlanta Braves, haven't replaced the Tomahawk Team. Surely a case of double standards, non??

https://www.mlb.com/braves/fans/enterta ... ahawk-team

Yes, and we still race in Bahrain and Abu Dhabi, not exactly role models for human rights, specifically feminine ones. Extend that argument to include freedom of speech and you'd have to question China and Russia's place on the calendar as well.

This is the aspect that feels like moral posturing. Liberty are happy to promote these territories because they currently don't rock the boat of popular outrage. Woman earning money by being attractive - that's wrong.

I mean, I absolutely agree with the sentiment behind this. In terms of fish that need frying there are certainly bigger ones than gird girls.

Personally, my well of outrage is deep enough to object to grid girls and object to F1 going to places like Bahrain etc. I don't believe that just because there are bigger problems that exist in the world we shouldn't try to address the smaller ones where we can too. Otherwise, it leads to a situation where we can ignore everything - what's the point of recycling when x million tonnes of waste gets dumped in the sea? and so on and so forth!

[JAA17]

Does anyone watch Tour cycling, eg the Tour de France, Vuelta, Giro etc.

Up to now they had podium girl-models handing out the flowers and cuddly toys.

This upcomming year they will have a man and woman podium model on each podium for each jersey.

This way the models still have jobs, there is no claims of sexism. Everyone wins.

Why is everyone so angry about everything these days?

[NathanOlder]

Does anyone watch Tour cycling, eg the Tour de France, Vuelta, Giro etc.

Up to now they had podium girl-models handing out the flowers and cuddly toys.

This upcomming year they will have a man and woman podium model on each podium for each jersey.

This way the models still have jobs, there is no claims of sexism. Everyone wins.

Why is everyone so angry about everything these days?

This. 10 grid girls, 10 grid men. problem solved.

My understanding is that the kids that get the job/task will already be in motorsport somewhere ? Shouldn't it be kids with no links to motorsport, to get them hooked and spending daddies millions to get to F1 some day. Plus if they go with a fair percentage of Karters from the country of the circuit, you will end up with 19/20 boys each time on the grid or will they pick 10 boys, 10 girls to do it, therefore denying a lot of boys the chance, because they need to fill 10 spots with girls.
If they have to use kids, just randomly select a school, and then randomly select the kids from there. Give some kids a chance to see what its like and fall in love with it. I thought thats the way of the world these days, target new customers, to hell with the ones you have already. 1 new fan is worth 2 current fans ect ect

[dren]

In the States, we have these cringe worthy license plates, maybe they'll add them to the F1 cars:

[dans79]

In the States, we have these cringe worthy license plates, maybe they'll add them to the F1 cars:

what exactly is wrong with this?
http://pcain.org/support-cause/kids-fir ... nse-plate/

This specialized license plate was developed to benefit the Indiana’s Kids First Trust Fund.

These funds are used to provide grants to programs relating to child abuse prevention activities. Prevent Child Abuse Indiana depends on these funds to help stop child abuse and neglect.

[dren]

Everything is kids first. It's cringe worthy. You can give to a fund or organization without crap like this.

[McHonda]

No issue with grid kids, I expect I'll barely notice them unless Brundle trips over one.

[NathanOlder]

Then people will be calling for Brundles job and phoning the NSPCC.

[dobbster71]

I guess that I'm being a little bit pedantic, but the reason I question the issue of double standards is due to the statement Sean Bratches made at the time:

"While the practice of employing grid girls has been a staple of Formula 1 Grands Prix for decades, we feel this custom does not resonate with our brand values and clearly is at odds with modern day societal norms. We don’t believe the practice is appropriate or relevant to Formula 1 and its fans, old and new, across the world.”

What I don't understand is why Liberty Media, as owners of the Atlanta Braves & F1, don't find the Tomahawk Team "at odds with modern day societal norms"! Surely the TT & Grid Girls perform essentially the same role??

Anyway, when's that new Sauber being unveiled???

[McHonda]

Then people will be calling for Brundles job and phoning the NSPCC.

I think most will have calmed down about it by then.