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vyselegend
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Since early april in France you can see a lot of advertising Red Bull cars everywhere, following the official lift of the selling ban in the country, starting from May 16.

As a motorsport fan, I couldn't help seeing a link between that legal "move" and the deep involvement the company recently showed in french motorsport activity (Renault F1 partnership, hiring of S.Bourdais at STR, and title sponsoring of the Citroën WRC team). Especially as the decision has been taken by the Ministry of Finances (probably supported by the prime minister, who's a fervent motorsport addict btw) against the advice of the French Food Sanitary's Security Agency, which say Red Bull drink is assimilable to a doping product.

Actually those guys are unhappy with one of the composants, called "Taurine" (supposedly the main active substance of the dring), because of "indesirable neuro-behavioral effects", without more precision (apart a vague report mentining test-rats biting off their own anterior limbes).
They also regret that despite RB officialy advise against blending whith alcohol, the popular usage is to mix it with vodka and other alcolised products and/or drugs.

In the end the Red Bull company modified the composition of the drink for the first time of its history, replacing Taurine with Arginine, another aminated acid naturally present in human organism, pretended to have the exact same properties, which is yet to prove.
Cafein levels remains the same however, and the company ensures that taste hasn't changed too.

I haven't tested this modified version yet, but I once drank a lot of the original one(something like a 6 can pack in the afternoon) during a travel to Austria organised by school when I was 14, and curiously felt no effect at all... Actually I remember sleeping like a sleepyhead, despite meeting a terribly charming blond girl in the evening. :-s Not so much exiting effect if you ask me...

That lead me to being quite skeptikal over the fuss made by those french authorities. From your own experiences, would you say that it is a potentially dangerous drink, really? Or is there some unpalpable marketing/commercial dispute behind the scene?
There could be such interests conflicts IMO, since the "energy drink" market has exploded lately (Coca-cola zero, Dark dog etc). Maybe Red Bull had to "fill the right pockets", for the doors of french market to open...

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I do not see that drink being more dangerous in France than it is in the UK or Germany. In the end its supposed to be approved or not approved by European law. Red Bull has probably done something silly in the past which is now rectified by new people taking a new look at things. should be ok, as all these soft drinks are basically unhealthy and overhyped.
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All I know is its delicious.. especially with vodka!
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I don't know why you have to see a conspiracy theory in it. Can't it just simply be that they tried to change the law?
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vyselegend wrote:I once drank a lot of the original one(something like a 6 can pack in the afternoon) during a travel to Austria organised by school when I was 14, and curiously felt no effect at all... Actually I remember sleeping like a sleepyhead, despite meeting a terribly charming blond girl in the evening. :-s Not so much exiting effect if you ask me...
Red Bull has the same effect as coca-cola, if you drink 1 or 2, your energy level gets a boost. If you drink too much, you fall asleep.

As for the reason why it is a dangerous drink: when you indeed mix wodka or whisky or so with Red Bull, both drinks have an opposit effect. Red Bull is an upper and alcohol is a downer. If you get lots of this in your system, your body doens't know how to respond and sometimes this could lead to something that is similar to a 'bad trip' when you have taken drugs. There are already cases of people who have gone out on Wodka-Red Bull all night and who end up in the hospital. This in in my opinion why your government decided to label Red Bull as a potentially dangerous drink.

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Principessa wrote:
vyselegend wrote:I once drank a lot of the original one(something like a 6 can pack in the afternoon) during a travel to Austria organised by school when I was 14, and curiously felt no effect at all... Actually I remember sleeping like a sleepyhead, despite meeting a terribly charming blond girl in the evening. :-s Not so much exiting effect if you ask me...
Red Bull has the same effect as coca-cola, if you drink 1 or 2, your energy level gets a boost. If you drink too much, you fall asleep.

As for the reason why it is a dangerous drink: when you indeed mix wodka or whisky or so with Red Bull, both drinks have an opposit effect. Red Bull is an upper and alcohol is a downer. If you get lots of this in your system, your body doens't know how to respond and sometimes this could lead to something that is similar to a 'bad trip' when you have taken drugs. There are already cases of people who have gone out on Wodka-Red Bull all night and who end up in the hospital. This in in my opinion why your government decided to label Red Bull as a potentially dangerous drink.
What a bad trip from redbull and vodka? :lol: Ive never heard of caffeine causing any one to fall asleep either

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I typed 'a sort of' bad trip. And as I said it has the same effect a bit as coca-cola (which contains cafeine as well). First an energy boost, than you get sleepy. I wouldn't know as I drink neither, but some of the people I know say that they get sleepy if they drink too much cola.

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there is a slight risk of heart problems from energy drink and alcohol

The hangover the next day is a much worse threat #-o

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I think I understand what you mean Principessa, it's probably a phenomena similar to hypoglycemia.

Zac, I don't want to see a conspiracy at all cost, but, why would they want to change the law suddently? Furthermore against the advice of the official consulting entity. Call it corruption, or legal and fair sponsoring, but whatever it is, it involve convincing with money. In politics there is no place for naiveness, so I suspect some money have fallen in the right pocket to move the legal machine on, that 's all.

Carlos, thanks for the links, I have only read the wiki one but I'll read other as well. I'm intersested by the Taurine and Arginine potential effects. Unlike cafein they're unusual composants in a drink.

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IIRC, the ban in France was because of the Taurine.
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