2018 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, 22 -25 March

[Thunder]

I read on Autosport it will start on the 22nd.

[Vasconia]

Seen Max and Ham's performance over the last few years in the wet, you cannot argue that these two are a class above the rest. Max has shown incredible skill in the rain with the first lap in China where he just brakes way way later than the guys in front. And you can argue about his fresher tires in Brazil, but it was still an amazing display seen the ease which he did it with. Just more guts and better lines.

Other drivers just relax behind the safety car while Max is looking for different lines. And Hamilton....well...he is just a masterclass on itself in every condition.

The way Max was diving left and right remined me Schumi in the 90s when he was doing the same just to find where the grip was, later on he was capable of braking way later than anyone else. It was pure magic.

[TheGkbrk]

I read on Autosport it will start on the 22nd.

Thanks. Sorry for the off topic again.
Cheers

[Godius]

I'm Sorry but I don't but into all this 'He's the best in the rain cr@p'

Was Jenson Button the best ever F1 wet weather driver when he won from the back of the filed at Montreal in 2011?

No, he just managed to switch the tyre on... that's all

It is funny that you make this nonsense Montreal 2011 comparison because that race was won by Button in one of the worst wet weather performances I've seen in recent f1-history. He spun the car and ran wide numerous times, speeded behind the safety car, took out Alonso and his teammate Hamilton in wet conditions without receiving any form of penalty. Most part of his comeback were on the dry tires.

[NathanOlder]

just out of interest, when was the last time a rain effected race was won by someone other than Lewis Hamilton ?

[TAG]

It is funny that you make this nonsense Montreal 2011 comparison because that race was won by Button in one of the worst wet weather performances I've seen in recent f1-history. He spun the car and ran wide numerous times, speeded behind the safety car, took out Alonso and his teammate Hamilton in wet conditions without receiving any form of penalty. Most part of his comeback were on the dry tires.

I was at that race, I still have the wet underwear to prove it. There was a hourandsomelong delay that allowed McLaren to switch the springs in his car, they gambled and won so he was able to drive around everyone. Vettel then choked at the end and Button won, it was an exciting race because of it, but agreed! He won on the shoulder of others not by any great skill of his.

[TheGkbrk]

just out of interest, when was the last time a rain effected race was won by someone other than Lewis Hamilton ?

Brazil 2012 maybe? There may be one after that but that was the first popped into my mind.

[Sieper]

It has to be said, Hamilton is a great rain driver, possibly (likely) even better then Verstappen but he always started in front of Verstappen by a (wide) margin so the fact that he won all rain races since we can remember does not automatically prove he is the best in the rain (which he very well might be). For example the rain qualy on Monza last year, Hammy 1 Max 2 but also Stroll of which I have a heard head in believing he is a rain master) qualified 4th (Dan 3rd). This to me just goes to show that even on a wet track, especially on a large triangle (straights, straights straights) like Monza is the engine power still plays a role. (and that that Stroll character must still be able to do something with the car, otherwise he wouldn't have qualified fourth).

I always look forward to rain, it just makes the race more spectacular, it also induces the element of fear that the driver you root for can make a mistake, that just happens in the wet.

[SiLo]

just out of interest, when was the last time a rain effected race was won by someone other than Lewis Hamilton ?

Brazil 2012 maybe? There may be one after that but that was the first popped into my mind.

Hungary 2014. But pretty much only because he started from the Pitlane. And was still in contention to win it a few laps from the end.

[SiLo]

For reference:

Japan 2007
Monaco 2008
Britain 2008
Germany 2010
Belgium 2010
China 2011
Japan 2014
Great Britain 2015
United States 2015
Monaco 2016
Great Britain 2016
Brazil 2016
China 2017
Singapore 2017

Are the wet races he has won. I think.

[Sieper]

Singapore, the big fat start crash, Hamilton escaped that in a masterful way, I don't believe that was pure luck.

[Santozini]

Singapore, the big fat start crash, Hamilton escaped that in a masterful way, I don't believe that was pure luck.

I hope that's sarcasm

[George-Jung]

Singapore, the big fat start crash, Hamilton escaped that in a masterful way, I don't believe that was pure luck.

I hope that's sarcasm

No. Divine intervention.

[Sieper]

No, I really think he saw it coming, or at the very least kept it in the back of his head the possibility. It wasn’t the first time last season Kimi was overly agressive at the start. he knows Verstappen wont back down to easily and Vettel always thinks he is in the right. Hamilton knows this as well or better then I.

[LM10]

No, I really think he saw it coming, or at the very least kept it in the back of his head the possibility. It wasn’t the first time last season Kimi was overly agressive at the start. he knows Verstappen wont back down to easily and Vettel always thinks he is in the right. Hamilton knows this as well or better then I.

Maybe you should watch the crash scene again. At no point did Hamilton avoid the crash purposely. He was just lucky to have not been in the action upfront.

"Vettel always thinks he is in the right." - How does this even correlate with the crash? If there was a driver in fault, this surely was not Vettel. His line was perfectly normal. Watch the start of US GP to see that Hamilton did the exactly same move.
Kimi wasn't "overly aggressive" either. He just had an extremely good start. All in all, the crash was an unlucky racing incident.