What a boring Race - lets hope New Regs are a lot better

[morrisond]

I've been watching F1 since about 1982 at the young age of 13. Well reading actually because in North America it wasn't live on TV and you had to wait for the monthly Car & Driver to get a race report.

I just have to say that this weekend's race sucked.

F1 is not Endurance racing. It is supposed to be Cars on the bleeding edge of Technology that will grenade themselves to pieces if you look at them wrong or complete one more lap than the race distance.

The three engine rule is not saving any money at all. In fact I would suggest it is costing a lot more.

The supreme focus on Aerodynamics also has very little application in the real world.

I say for 2021 the regs should be very simple. One engine per race weekend or a penalty. Points are only counted for say 17 out of 20/21 races (in the 80's I think you counted only your Top 10 out of 16), cut the downforce by at least 50% (probably making the cars prettier as a result), and cut the minimum weight significantly - call it 550KG to allow for hybrid systems. The weight limit was 500KG in 1987 - none of this 2018 728kg nonsense. With todays material science and engineering cars should be able to be quite safe at that weight.

Limit the Fuel allowed in a race and just bring it down over time to control power and incent Manufacturers to work on fuel saving solutions which will benefit the industry.

Cap boost pressure to limit HP, limit exotic materials, specify engine configuration - I would suggest 2.0 L 4 cyclinders again for Road Applicability. Don't limit Fuel flow.

Sorry for the rant - it needed to be said.

[DiogoBrand]

A "how I think formula one should be" thread? I've never seen one of these before.

[jh199]

I would argue the cars are on the bleeding edge of tech. The mercedes engine is truely a remarkable bit of engineering, so are all the other engines, just to a lesser extent. The Honda and occationally the renault are grenading themselves. Their limits are being pushed until they break.

I love the aero but agree it has no real world application, at least how F1 is using it. But the aero is tech in itself. The aero is a major reason these cars are so quick. Plus, the teams use of cfd and wind tunnels have furthered both those technologies, both of which are certainly benificial to atomotive world.

I do love the fuel limit we have now too. Why bother restricting the hp. If teams can get more power from less fuel isnt that what we want?

But yea. The weight has got to drop. The cars dont look nearly as exciting or twitchy as they used to

[Just_a_fan]

F1 is not Endurance racing. It is supposed to be Cars on the bleeding edge of Technology that will grenade themselves to pieces if you look at them wrong or complete one more lap than the race distance.

And

The supreme focus on Aerodynamics also has very little application in the real world.

Are rather polar opposites, wouldn't you say? Grenading engines is not real world applicable.

Sorry for the rant - it needed to be said.

No, it really didn't need saying.

[zac510]

yawn..

[morrisond]

So you are all happy with the current state of affairs in F1?

I would like to see some wheel to wheel battles like there used to be.

How do you suggest we get back to that versus just criticizing people on the internet?

Or would you prefer to see more races like last weekend?

[Giblet]

You can't look at one race on a track like Australia and make decide that the whole season will be like this. This is not a easy to pass track to begin with.

There was a lot of racing last year, about what we are used to seeing each year for the past 30.

[mrluke]

The reason for the lack of overtaking is the cars are too similar. To get exciting racing (like the good ol days" you need cars that do pretty much the same laptime but have different strengths and weaknesses over the lap, one might be much faster on the straights but the other is faster in the corners.

[zac510]

So you are all happy with the current state of affairs in F1?

I would like to see some wheel to wheel battles like there used to be.

How do you suggest we get back to that versus just criticizing people on the internet?

Or would you prefer to see more races like last weekend?

I'm sorry but we get 4 or 5 of these threads a week during the season and many more posts in threads of people who have some miracle 'cure' for F1 - "if only the foolish FIA would read my post and implement it!" So pardon us if we come across a bit sick of these threads.

I've been watching F1 for as long as you and in my observation there is a massive rule of unintended consequences. That is, almost every time a rule is changed to achieve something, the opposite (or some other unintended consequences) occur.
For example making drivers start the race on their qualifying tyres was meant to shake up the grid, but ended up in some drivers just not doing qualifying laps - the opposite effect. About the only rule change I can think of in the last few years that has not had major unintended consequences is the addition of titanium skid blocks.
Thus I'm extremely sceptical when someone wants to change just about everything about the rules in one swoop. How many unintended consequences will there be?

[Andres125sx]

Those of you who miss past decades racing should watch some race from past decades from time to time. I do, and they usually are WAY more boring to current ones, but we only remind the good parts so they´re mythicized into our memories

[Ennis]

Those of you who miss past decades racing should watch some race from past decades from time to time. I do, and they usually are WAY more boring to current ones, but we only remind the good parts so they´re mythicized into our memories

This sums it up to me. If you think a race where 1st to 4th = 7 seconds is bad, the opening GP 20 years ago had a gap from 1st to 4th of 1min14....

[3jawchuck]

Those of you who miss past decades racing should watch some race from past decades from time to time. I do, and they usually are WAY more boring to current ones, but we only remind the good parts so they´re mythicized into our memories

It doesn't help that media coverage back then was awful. Hard to enjoy watching the leader for 3/4 of the laps.

[Logie]

Do see potential thought

Couple of races the Ren cars should all be close, Will and FI once sorted there cooling out should be there or there abouts with them, Sauber will get better and join and maybe TR too.

Only trouble is if a Merc gets out in front its hard to catch and vice versa, that dirty air bit makes it tough to get real close to attempt a move, think its the tracks problems they need to be wider in alot of areas but highly doubt that will get changed.

[Vasconia]

Those of you who miss past decades racing should watch some race from past decades from time to time. I do, and they usually are WAY more boring to current ones, but we only remind the good parts so they´re mythicized into our memories

100% true. Even those mighty 80s contain tons of boring races.

2012 was a good oned but people criticized the tyres. It seems that there is not a perfect solution.

Theres is some histeria righ now, Australia has always been quite tricky to see overtakes so I don´t understand the complains. Thanks to the VSC there was some fun because at least we saw drivers chasing other until the last lap. The problem here is the 3 PU rule, but I am afraid this won´t change.

[FrukostScones]

Wasnt Boring. Buy live timing.