2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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godlameroso wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 19:31
Because by then they'll have understood the power unit enough to get more out of it.
If that happens, one would think their overall pace would improve not just quali.
About this PU integration. I don't know what everyone expects is going to happen in the course of this season. Surely, the benifits of understanding the PU is in tighter packaging, optimized cooling, better airflow inside the car, optimized COG...All those lead to better car aerodynamics or car kinematics, not ''more hp''.
Even so, I don't think they'll be able to do a whole lot about this in the middle of the season. Most of those improvements should be utilized on next year's car.

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although it must be said that the PU Renault on the car of Alonso and Vandoorne has not been fully exploited to avoid problems related to the turbocharger.
http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2018/03 ... 3.html?m=1

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dren wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 20:02
godlameroso wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 19:31
Because by then they'll have understood the power unit enough to get more out of it.
How is Mclaren going to get more out of the power unit?
When they get their cooling in order they'll be able to push the components a little more.
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Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.

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BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.
Next year??? Is Fernando or Stoffel leaving next year??
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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proteus wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 19:45
zoroastar wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 19:24
Ground Effect wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 16:01


I agree... But I have to say, even though I know it's an uphill task bringing in sponsorship to F1 these days, I personally thought Zak Brown would have done better. I'm not saying he's done or doing a bad job, I just felt he'd have found a blockbuster name, like Amazon, Apple, etc. The top guys, especially Ferrari will never agree to the budget cap, so finding high yield sponsorship is vital.
i doubt if the never ending press that mclaren seem to draw helps very much, (being that its usually not good), at least for the last few years. im sure itll become a lot easier if we start to see some results, but still there are more sponsors pulling out of F1 than coming in it seems. f1 needs a budget cap in the worst way, it would probably bring in more sponsors in the long run to have a more even playing field.

Main problem of the sport is there are 3 factory teams in it, providing 3 out of 4 available engines. However u put it, this three teams will not share all of their engine data, and they have massive advantage right from the start since they are making the engines to fit their needs and not the needs of costumers. Costumers are behind from the moment they get their fresh sets of engines before the season. F1 is literally hijacked right now.

The second big problem is that sattelite teams (especially in Ferraris case) are bound to cooperate with the factory team during races and move aside when the factory team is in need of their race position (this was seen especially in a race last year, where Magnussen really fought with Alonso, while he left Vettel past with no efforts to defend whatsoever).

As long as engine manufacturers are teams as well, so long we will see their reign in the sport (Ferrari has its special spot, so they are logically a team and an engine manufacturer). Sooner or later Renault will bridge the gap and all we will be able so will be 3 main contenders for the title.
yea, this engine formula is a whole new set of worms. having something so complicated has alienated everyone except for mercedes and ferrari. ferrari only just recently caught on. i think fia needs to figure out if they want an over technical series, where only a couple of teams can be fighting for wins, or a series that is more geared toward on track competition, where everyone has at least a small chance of winning at some point in the season. you obviously cant have both. most people who tune in could care less about how stupid complicated the PU is, and wonder why a company like honda cant be competitive after 3 years of trying. at the moment f1 is being held hostage by a couple of teams. i wonder what teams would follow ferrari into another series if they were to break away, when they find out that ferrari wants $100 million more whether they win or lose. prolly a little off topic, but ive already typed it sooo...

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Lucky wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 20:36
although it must be said that the PU Renault on the car of Alonso and Vandoorne has not been fully exploited to avoid problems related to the turbocharger.
http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2018/03 ... 3.html?m=1
And..
Important "rumors" talk about a Woking Team at work on important changes in the aerodynamic concept of the MCL33 that will be introduced during this 2018 season of F1.
BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.

So if one is actually better, but loses because a couple of crashes, he won't get the seat. He can say whatever he wants, but I doubt it. Lando is also worth much more sponsor wise than de Vries.

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RonDennis wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 00:37
Lucky wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 20:36
although it must be said that the PU Renault on the car of Alonso and Vandoorne has not been fully exploited to avoid problems related to the turbocharger.
http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2018/03 ... 3.html?m=1
And..
Important "rumors" talk about a Woking Team at work on important changes in the aerodynamic concept of the MCL33 that will be introduced during this 2018 season of F1.
BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.

So if one is actually better, but loses because a couple of crashes, he won't get the seat. He can say whatever he wants, but I doubt it. Lando is also worth much more sponsor wise than de Vries.
If Norris was so much better than De Vries, over a whole season he would be in front regardless of any car issues. A quality is also making the right decisions to stay out of crashes. We’ll see who the better one is over a full season. Both still have to prove themselves, and if either one proves to be the next real deal, that driver will attract crazy sponsorship regardless of him being Dutch or British.

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Ground Effect wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:10
BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.
Next year??? Is Fernando or Stoffel leaving next year??
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:21
Ground Effect wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:10
BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.
Next year??? Is Fernando or Stoffel leaving next year??
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
Thought Fernando signed a multi year deal last year?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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loner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:21
Ground Effect wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:10
BosF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:05
Rookie driver Nyck de Vries is now live on Dutch television and has some interesting comments:

- He and Lando are going to have fight it out in the formula 2 for a seat in F1. He said he has got it black on white that the person that ends up higher in the formula 2 championship will get a seat in F1 next year.

- He tested the Bahrain update for 2 days in the simulator this week, but McLaren has not yet decided about actually bringing it to the Grand Prix. However, he feels that the team should bring the update to the next race.
Next year??? Is Fernando or Stoffel leaving next year??
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
Alonso did a contract at least to the end of 2019. He will stay in F1 if he has the change to win the 3rd title as he many times has stated. But it will continue with Mclaren until the end of the contract because they let him race in another categories and probably in 2019 will try again with Mclaren to race the Indianapolis again. As a dead meat, probably is the fittest racer in the grid this year and at his age with all the racing he has on his hands, I would even say Hamilton can retire before Alonso

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Redragon wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:40
loner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:21
Ground Effect wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:10


Next year??? Is Fernando or Stoffel leaving next year??
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
Alonso did a contract at least to the end of 2019. He will stay in F1 if he has the change to win the 3rd title as he many times has stated. But it will continue with Mclaren until the end of the contract because they let him race in another categories and probably in 2019 will try again with Mclaren to race the Indianapolis again. As a dead meat, probably is the fittest racer in the grid this year and at his age with all the racing he has on his hands, I would even say Hamilton can retire before Alonso
man i know very well how much talented and fit is ALO it just an expression for his age in the sport.. when people get older they look for the money much more than they care about titles which he already achieved.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:21
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
Dead meat :lol:

By the way Alonso this year took a paycut so what you are saying doesn't really make sense.

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Joseki wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:55
loner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:21
100% Fernando will leave Mclaren he actualy stayed there in 2018 for one and only reason the 40$m he got as salary.
this could be his last year in F1 he is a dead meat and if you think he lose you would be naive the last 4 years alone he got 40m$ per year
he already has 2 titles to his name he need nothing more and he won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari-Ricciardo bound seat anyway.
Dead meat :lol:

By the way Alonso this year took a paycut so what you are saying doesn't really make sense.
iam independent and you are ALO fan you will defend him blindly .. whats it in mclaren for him to sign the deal if not for the money ? didn't he say he don't want to be second anymore :lol: don't you remember him saying so
he is heavily talented but thats don't prevent him being a mercenary.
para bellum.

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Its amazing how some ppl find it so easy to discredit or devalue Alonso each year.
And its also Amazing how each year Alonso proves all the haters Wrong.
I really don't know what else this guy must do, in order to prove that he is driving at his highest level atm.

Just follow the Driver Power Rankings this year on Formula1.com
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/feat ... ralia.html

I am not going to defend Alonso. Formula1.com will do it with its all new Power rankings.
As the season progress, you are gonna find out which driver is on top of his game and who is Dead Meat.