2018 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, April 6-8

[dans79]

I'll say it again for those who don't seem to grasp the concept. Max's #1 problem at this point in his career is that he is just like his dad! by that I mean he drives like a bull (ironic) in a china shop. If he used his brain a little more, he would score 30 or 40 points more a season.

[foxmulder_ms]

Why? In both situations you push the ‘other guy’ off track.

But perhaps ‘we all’ can agree to disagree.. it is not bringing the topic any further.

You wouldn't be here if it was anyone else on the grid and we can all agree on that.

I do love Hamilton’s racing craft, and I admit that he is one of the best.. that’s why it makes it even more special when he does get passed.

IMHO it was a beautiful move by Verstappen, that Hamilton couldn’t ‘swallow’..

Oh please, at that moment Ham couldn't have done anything. Vestappen intentionally drove wider than usual just to "complete" the pass in his "way" which backfired spectacularly so KARMA is goooood.

[foxmulder_ms]

Looking forward to China! Expect Mercedes 1-2 there. And really curious what will Honda do there.

What makes you think that Bottas will manage to end the race at P2 at least?

I think Mercedes car is that good.

[ripper]

Yesterday VET overtook him, but the german was on fresh tyres vs end of stint tyres

Why do people from the EU make it a habit of noting someone's nationality when describing them in writing? It's not a "thing" I've noted people from other parts of the globe, do. It's almost as if it's the de facto adjective.

I know, not a race topic question, but I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a consensus explanation behind it.

It can be a "wrong translation" from italian (my language) to english. In italian we can use the adjective as a pronoun in order to avoid repeating the same word (in this case Vettel).

So i chose to write "german" instead of "german driver" because i'm lazy and one less word is a lot less effort

[maxxer]

Yesterday VET overtook him, but the german was on fresh tyres vs end of stint tyres

Why do people from the EU make it a habit of noting someone's nationality when describing them in writing? It's not a "thing" I've noted people from other parts of the globe, do. It's almost as if it's the de facto adjective.

I know, not a race topic question, but I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a consensus explanation behind it.

Offtopic , when andy murray wins a tournament in tennis he is called a Brit , when he loses he suddenly is a scot.

[NathanOlder]

Yesterday VET overtook him, but the german was on fresh tyres vs end of stint tyres

Why do people from the EU make it a habit of noting someone's nationality when describing them in writing? It's not a "thing" I've noted people from other parts of the globe, do. It's almost as if it's the de facto adjective.

I know, not a race topic question, but I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a consensus explanation behind it.

Offtopic , when andy murray wins a tournament in tennis he is called a Brit , when he loses he suddenly is a scot.

He's forever a Scot now then.

[dans79]

It can be a "wrong translation" from italian (my language) to english. In italian we can use the adjective as a pronoun in order to avoid repeating the same word (in this case Vettel).

So i chose to write "german" instead of "german driver" because i'm lazy and one less word is a lot less effort

Might want to be careful with that in some circles. In a lot of circumstances mentioning someones nationality or assumed nationality is considered a backhanded way of insulting the individual or the nationality.

[ripper]

Might want to be careful with that in some circles. In a lot of circumstances mentioning someones nationality or assumed nationality is considered a backhanded way of insulting the individual or the nationality.

I didn't know it, thanks a lot! I'll pay attention!

[TAG]

Yesterday VET overtook him, but the german was on fresh tyres vs end of stint tyres

Why do people from the EU make it a habit of noting someone's nationality when describing them in writing? It's not a "thing" I've noted people from other parts of the globe, do. It's almost as if it's the de facto adjective.

I know, not a race topic question, but I'm genuinely curious to know if there's a consensus explanation behind it.

It can be a "wrong translation" from italian (my language) to english. In italian we can use the adjective as a pronoun in order to avoid repeating the same word (in this case Vettel).

So i chose to write "german" instead of "german driver" because i'm lazy and one less word is a lot less effort

Nothing against your being lazy or anything like that, I'm trying to know if there's nationalism or something that makes one write the country of origin to begin with. You could have said the blonde, or the leader or the Ferrari driver. So apologies, not singling you out.

[Jolle]

It can be a "wrong translation" from italian (my language) to english. In italian we can use the adjective as a pronoun in order to avoid repeating the same word (in this case Vettel).

So i chose to write "german" instead of "german driver" because i'm lazy and one less word is a lot less effort

Might want to be careful with that in some circles. In a lot of circumstances mentioning someones nationality or assumed nationality is considered a backhanded way of insulting the individual or the nationality.

There are harmless ways to name drivers or teams: The German, The Dutchman, The Italians, The red cars, the silver arrows, The (flying) Finns, etc etc and there are the wrong ones: The Black one, the drunk, etc etc.

There is a line between chauvinistic and nationalistic as well. Supporting your fellow Dutch/German/English/French driver is more then ok, believing he's better because he is from a certain country isn't.

[dans79]

There are harmless ways to name drivers or teams: The German, The Dutchman, The Italians, The red cars, the silver arrows, The (flying) Finns, etc etc and there are the wrong ones: The Black one, the drunk, etc etc.

If you come to Austin I'd advise you not walk around referring to Perez as "The Mexican". Here referring to "Mexican" is used a lot in a derogatorily manor and a lot of people don't take kindly to it.

[TAG]

There are harmless ways to name drivers or teams: The German, The Dutchman, The Italians, The red cars, the silver arrows, The (flying) Finns, etc etc and there are the wrong ones: The Black one, the drunk, etc etc.

There is a line between chauvinistic and nationalistic as well. Supporting your fellow Dutch/German/English/French driver is more then ok, believing he's better because he is from a certain country isn't.

In this case he's Italian referencing a German driver, so it's none of that. I'm asking specifically about why folks from European countries mention someone's nationality as an adjective. It's not something that's done elsewhere commonly. Does it only apply to F1 since it's so international? Do you hear commentators or writers saying a person's county of birth as an adjective in other sports or professional footbal leagues?

It may be customary and harmless, I'm trying to figure out the reason or the anthropology behind it since I find it peculiar, not a western hemisphere thing in international sports.

Mods feel free to move this to another thread if you deem it appropriate.

[aral]

A number of off topic posts have been removed as they had nothing to do with the Bahrain GP. Instead they were into calling drivers by derogatory names and even straying into soccer. Probably more posts should be removed, but please can we get back to discussing the race?

[NathanOlder]

Sure.
Just to clear 1 thing up, Vettel will always be German, Like Hamilton will always be English. Ferrari Italian, Bottas a Fin ect ect .There's nothing derogatory about that.

Back on topic,

Where do you think Kimi would have ended up if he made it out the pits ? Could it have had a negative effect for Ferrari in that both Merc's could have upped their pace earlier to keep Kimi at bay, and in turn catch Vettel with laps to spare ?

[nevill3]

Perez and Hartly given time penalties after the race that sens them to the bottom of the results for Perez passing Hartley on the way to the starting grid. Hartly also penalized for not passing Perez on the formation lap!! He also got 2 penalty points!!!