Has Max been a verryyy naughty boy?

[ben_watkins]

HE STAYS!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 430939.stm

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Tom H]

Grrrr [-X

[bettonracing]

Anybody else suspect about Ecclestone's obviously desperate attempt to swing votes at the last minute?...

Now that Mosely's won the vote, he and Bernie are gonna be butting heads like never before!

Regards,

H. Kurt Betton

[WhiteBlue]

well, it went different to my expectations. I suspect that Mosley has some aces up his sleeve against Mr. Ecclestone.

From the mobility clubs.

We should not rush to judgement on this. But one of the potential ramifications is the division or a split way from the organisation that might in fact provide an opportunity for like-minded clubs to find a representative body in a different form.

ADAC was hot on their heels. Together those two clubs have 73 million members.

"We view with regret and incredulity the FIA general assembly's decision in Paris, confirming Max Mosley in office as FIA president. This is a reason for Europe's largest automobile club to let its functions and co-operation in FIA working groups rest at world level. ADAC will stay with its decision as long as Max Mosley holds the top FIA office of president.

In fact this is a very stiff slap down from Germany.

If we see a coalition of Bernie + mobility versus Max it will be decisive what the F1 teams will do. Mosley is quite well entrenched with the manufacturers except perhaps with Merc who have been on the opposite side with Ron Dennis in the GPMA war. As long as all discussions will be in private and they do not need to publicly deal with him they will not bring big opposiotion I believe. The manufacturers may argue that it is an FIA issue and the FIA decided.

The next item of interest will be the law suit against the NoTW. If that goes well for Mosley and implicates Bernie there could be a big swing in public opinion. I hope it gets sorted quickly before the FIA breaks apart. that will benefit no party. Perhaps the best solution would be a deadly blow against Bernie and then Mosley might be inclined to make way.

[nae]

in my view the FIA has found the biggest gun it can and taken careful
aim at its feet with the intention of blowing both of them off

the man was little respected before and now will be sniped at by everyone
for the rest of his term in office, and thats with out any other action by the clubs

not a good day for motor sport imho

[ben_watkins]

well, it went different to my expectations. I suspect that Mosley has some asses up his sleeve against Mr. Ecclestone.

A lovely turn of phrase!! I bet they might need some bandages too, knowing what Max likes to do to his ass

I bet you didn't mean aces did you!?!



I can see the downfall of the FIA, with that sicko at the helm...

[WhiteBlue]

well, it went different to my expectations. I suspect that Mosley has some asses up his sleeve against Mr. Ecclestone.

A lovely turn of phrase!! I bet they might need some bandages too, knowing what Max likes to do to his ass

I bet you didn't mean aces did you!?!



I can see the downfall of the FIA, with that sicko at the helm...

sure, I meant aces. just slipped into German there.

some additional info

The vote took place after a meeting lasting two and a half hours during which 15 delegates spoke. Anthony Scrivener also gave his legal opinions about the Mosley Scandal and pointed out that the films of Mosley's orgy included a part in which the reporter from the News of the World told the prostitutes involved to try to get Mosley to make Nazi references. If this allegation is true it will have a big effect on the legal actions going on.

Neville Thurbeck may have hit a huge own goal against his NoTW there.

interview with the AAA president:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7433392.stm

[ben_watkins]

Interesting interview with the AAA president there.. I've not seen someone speak so candidly about an issue such as this..

check this too..

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx ... 0&PO=42850

The German ADAC has announced that it will suspend its FIA activities!

FIA is finished imho..

[Scotracer]

Whilst this is a dark day for motorsport, a lot of good can come from this. The FIA has been abusing it's position for far too long and with the major clubs (apart from MSA, it has to be said) splitting, a new governing body could bring F1 back to what it should be.

[WhiteBlue]

... The FIA has been abusing it's position for far too long and with the major clubs (apart from MSA, it has to be said) splitting, a new governing body could bring F1 back to what it should be.

disagree! The FIA has been underutilizing it's position far too long. until 2007 the CRH was holding all the trump cards in the F1 power game. the team principals were eager to convert voting rights into money that only the CRH could grant. so the rules were effectively controled by Bernie.

By killing the veto rights the FIA regained the the role that it is supposed to have. It is far from certain that the FIA will be split. It appears that the AAA will hold a management meeting on this issue. the result will have a significant impact.

there could be a positive outcome I agree. if Max and Bernie both get out the FIA could start with a clean sheet and the current rules would be a good starting point. In my view both Max and Bernie have a lack of initial legitimation in their jobs. Max got it by a huge deceptive manoever implemented by Bernie. Bernie got the commercial rights due to his collusion with Max. let them fight and damage each other. the FIA clubs should focus on finding a good successor so that next time Max will have no chance due to lack of an honest and capable successor.

BMW statement confirms my view that the manufacturers will arrange themselves:

The relevant bodies of the FIA have passed a vote of confidence in Max Mosley, which means he will see out his term of office as President of the FIA, ending in October 2009. We respect this decision, which was made by the delegates in full knowledge of the facts. It is important now for everyone concerned to turn their undivided attention back to the sport.

[ben_watkins]

Can anyone say GPMA?

[mcdenife]

BMW statement confirms my view that the manufacturers will arrange themselves:

'Agrees' with rather than "confirms" and I agree with Scotracer the FIA has long abused it position rather than underutilize as you claim plus the rules were not 'effectively ' controlled by BE but were firmly under the control the Max and by extention the FIA. Today vote proves how and why the FIA has long been able to abuse it powers...something the dutch contingent alluded to and Paul Stoddard mentioned, ie in effect Max's power base is in the smaller clubs.

Thiessen does not speak for BMW let alone the manufacturers so it is wrong for you to call this a "BMW statement"

[gcdugas]

It is a sad day for F1. Nothing good can come of this..... unless it is the dramatic break up of the FIA and the strengthening of the teams. And even that will be tumultuous, ugly and bad in the short term (next 2-3 years) for all the sponsors. But I feared the worst when Max called for the meeting. I knew that the 10 member club of pygmies from Papua New Guinea has the same voting strength as the 55M member USA club and that Max has promised them real metal shields and spear points for their vote. So the whole thing was rigged from the beginning.

Watch out now for Max to go on the war path. Mean and vindictive penalties abound for BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, and Honda await. Flavio, Renault and Ferrari will be exempted even though their engines measure 3.8L and they go 400Kmph on the straights. Do you see that untied shoelace on the McLaren pit crew member? That's a $250,000 safety fine! That banana peel in the Ferrari pits? That's obviously left over from the GP2 race so it must be OK.

Nothing good can come from this. Absolutely nothing! F1 will be the source for innumerable jokes. Sponsors will cut back, withdraw or just not enter. I can only wonder what is going on in the CVC offices right now with Bernie.

[WhiteBlue]

BMW statement confirms my view that the manufacturers will arrange themselves:

'Agrees' with rather than "confirms" and I agree with Scotracer the FIA has long abused it position rather than underutilize as you claim plus the rules were not 'effectively ' controlled by BE but were firmly under the control the Max and by extention the FIA. Today vote proves how and why the FIA has long been able to abuse it powers...something the dutch contingent alluded to and Paul Stoddard mentioned, ie in effect Max's power base is in the smaller clubs.

Thiessen does not speak for BMW let alone the manufacturers so it is wrong for you to call this a "BMW statement"

you are entitled to your opinion regarding the powers in F1. I just happen to hold a different opinion.

regarding Dr. Mario Theissen you are factually wrong. he is not only the managing director and team principal of the F1 team he is also company director of BMW AG for all motorsport activities and as such officially speaks for the company in all motorsport issues.

regarding the views of the other manufacturers I look forward to their statements if they issue any. we will see who estimates their reaction right.

[WhiteBlue]

...Do you see that untied shoelace on the McLaren pit crew member? That's a $250,000 safety fine! That banana peel in the Ferrari pits? That's obviously left over from the GP2 race so it must be OK....

good humor!! you forgot the