Has Max been a verryyy naughty boy?

[gcdugas]

Thiessen does not speak for BMW let alone the manufacturers so it is wrong for you to call this a "BMW statement"

Really? Who does he speak for? Ferrari? Get real, BMW has him out there as their representative as he has been for the last few years. If Thiessen said: "I love Hitler" the newspapers aren't going to print "Honda spokesman supports Hitler". Mario's statement was certainly a "BMW statement". Should their board of directors wish to add anything, they are free to do so, but Thiessen's statement is still certainly a BMW statement.

He doesn't speak for the German clubs but they have already spoken.

[Ciro Pabón]

Wow. So Max controls the small federations, according to the papers. Why?

Has anybody seen a list of the votes?

How do the journalists know who vote for or against, if the vote was secret?

[gcdugas]

Wow. So Max controls the small federations, according to the papers. Why? Because they can be bought with just a few promises of favors.

Has anybody seen the list of the votes (member by member)? Its secret.

[ben_watkins]

.. the whole thing was rigged from the beginning.

=D> =D> =D>

[gcdugas]

Any statements from Bernie or the CVC yet?

[mcdenife]

If Thiessen said: "I love Hitler" the newspapers aren't going to print "Honda spokesman supports Hitler".

True....they will most likely print "BMW Motosport spokesman (or Boss) supports Hitler", rather than "BMW supports Hitler". The F1 teams will say the same thing Thiessen (as team boss) said. They cant say anything else because its not up to them and cannot go it alone (thats up to FOM and that in turns depends on what the clubs, manufactures, etc do). I guess we will see.

[WhiteBlue]

If Thiessen said: "I love Hitler" the newspapers aren't going to print "Honda spokesman supports Hitler".

True....they will most likely print "BMW Motosport spokesman (or Boss) supports Hitler", rather than "BMW supports Hitler". The F1 teams will say the same thing Thiessen (as team boss) said. They cant say anything else because its not up to them and cannot go it alone (thats up to FOM and that in turns depends on what the clubs, manufactures, etc do). I guess we will see.

what a ridiculous speculation

fyi, the man's name is Theissen and not Thiessen! He has been in F1 for 9 years as motorsport director of BMW. His Phd was on engine design and he is honorary professor of Technical University Dresden.




Just to rectify another speculation that I have come across...

... If Mosley stays in office until October 2009 it will mean that next year's European GP at the Nurburgring may not happen...

Germanys second vote, the one for motot sport is executed by the DMSB. Their web site published the following statement in German which I translate here:

Today the delegates of the EGA of the FIA confirmed Max Mosley in his office as the president of the FIA. The majority of the delegates has valued the undoubtable merits of Max Mosley for motor sport higher than the damage incurred in the last weeks. The respect for the decision making body - in which the DMSB has one of aproximately 200 votes - demands to accept the decision. For the DMSB it is exceptionally important that the vote of the delegates will settle the top office of the most important international federation and restore the capacity to act on the important projects on the agenda.

It is the DMSB that executes the sporting authority in Germany. I have no doubt that all FIA sanctioned races including those that are organised by the ADAC will go ahead as planned. the current calendar shows an example.

FIA GT Championship, Motorsport Arena Oschersleben
RV008018
04.07.08 - 06.07.08
ADAC Weser-Ems e.V.
Ortsclubs, Jugend u. Sport
Bennigsenstr. 2-6
28207 Bremen
Tel. +49 421 4994 121
Fax +49 421 4994124
E-Mail Torsten.Kugler@wem.adac.de
Homepage http://www.adac.de/weser-ems
Prädikate Klassen
FIA GT Championship

I expect the 2009 German GP to run jast as smoothly as any other ADAC/FIA organised event.

[TheMinister]

Time for the conspiracy theories to start, methinks.

The prostitutes spoke german....
Claims of a Nazi (german) orgy....
The ADAC (german) club pulls out of the FIA....
An MI5 agent resigns after his wife was the one who filmed this (perhaps she went on holiday to germany)....

And Max says he was set up? No --- sherlock....

OK there's no public domain evidence pointing to anybody aside from that one MI5 guy, but a job like this was definately not an after-school project for him and his wife. And something tells me the NOTW may make one hell of a financial loss on the story....

So who paid for it? Who set it up?

I think this goes a lot deeper than we know.

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks ... ld_hys_tue#

a BBC radio programm with lots of opinion

[gcdugas]

Time for the conspiracy theories to start, methinks.

The prostitutes spoke german....
Claims of a Nazi (german) orgy....
The ADAC (german) club pulls out of the FIA....
An MI5 agent resigns after his wife was the one who filmed this (perhaps she went on holiday to germany)....

And Max says he was set up? No --- sherlock....

OK there's no public domain evidence pointing to anybody aside from that one MI5 guy, but a job like this was definately not an after-school project for him and his wife. And something tells me the NOTW may make one hell of a financial loss on the story....

So who paid for it? Who set it up?

I think this goes a lot deeper than we know.

The girl set him up for tabloid $$$. Simple as that. Just look at the article that appeared a week later in NotW interviewing her. That it was all well orchestrated in advance is only due to the fact that they had sufficient notice as to when and where.

NotW has little to fear from the courts. All they have to do is hint that the presiding judge (or his family) could be next if they don't see things their way. I am not kidding either. Just look at the history of these type of cases. If there is ever a settlement it is always for a relative pittance. Certainly far less than the tabloid made over the whole mess. What make Max think he is any different?

Get ready for the full 5 hour version to be leaked onto the internet. It is inevitable. The timing will tell everything. If it happens relatively soon, I would say that the leak came from one of the disgruntled clubs and they want to keep up the pressure. A birdie told me there is ritualistic male pubic shaving (for lice) and an enema before you know what. And lots more German!

If the tape comes out at a time convenient to the defense of NotW, I would guess they were the source. Either way, since the clubs all have copies (nearly 200 of them?), it will be hard to prove who the leaker is since they all have plausible deniability with so many copies in circulation. But mark my words, it is only a matter of time. This is not good for F1.

I am still waiting to see how Bernie and CVC can spin this. "Business as usual for F1" is my guess but that will be a hard sell. With groups already splintering off and a disgraced weakened figurehead, I fail to see the requisite stability to attract, retain and grow sponsorships. 7 out of 10 teams are on the record also. We can say that the FIA had its chance today and blew it. Now God only knows what will happen but it can't be good. Max has always put himself before F1, the teams, and the general good of motorsport. Let's see what good it does him.

[WhiteBlue]

..The girl set him up for tabloid $$$. Simple as that. Just look at the article that appeared a week later in NotW interviewing her. That it was all well orchestrated in advance is only due to the fact that they had sufficient notice as to when and where...

Your logic isn't convincing. Mistress Abi had a years long relationship with Mosley as a client. They are both switchers which should have made for a very stable erotic as well as business relationship. she knew him long before she met and married her husband. and out of the blue this woman changed her attitude and got the idea to set him up for a meagre fee from NoTW. by doing that she ruins her SM model business and brings her friend from "Bums on the Run" Zena Stones, Leia-Ann Woods and Jadie Reece in serious trouble? tell that to people who listen to grimm's fairy tales! I'd say she was payed big bucks to betray him that way and those bucks came from someone who initiated the whole thing.

..NotW has little to fear from the courts. All they have to do is hint that the presiding judge (or his family) could be next if they don't see things their way. I am not kidding either. Just look at the history of these type of cases. If there is ever a settlement it is always for a relative pittance. Certainly far less than the tabloid made over the whole mess. What make Max think he is any different? ...

LOL, I have plenty more trust in the British justice than you. the English judge has already hinted at his dissatisfaction with the whole thing. via grandprix.com it transpired that the reporter Neville Thurbeck fabricated the Nazi connotation.

Anthony Scrivener also gave his legal opinions about the Mosley Scandal and pointed out that the films of Mosley's orgy included a part in which the reporter from the News of the World told the prostitutes involved to try to get Mosley to make Nazi references. If this allegation is true it will have a big effect on the legal actions going on.

Once that is notorious with the law the paper will loose all protection that the freedom of speech grants to the press. the press must tell the truth and not fabricate fiction. NoTW will very likely be sentenced to damages and there will be excruciating pressure on Mistress Abi and Thurbeck to tell the truth about the initiation of the sting. the claimants lawyer will pull them one after the other in the witness stand. perjury isn't so easily bought with money if you can go to jail. to reveil additional sordid details will only increase potential damages. it will not change one bit of the legal status for Mosley.

[Conceptual]

..The girl set him up for tabloid $$$. Simple as that. Just look at the article that appeared a week later in NotW interviewing her. That it was all well orchestrated in advance is only due to the fact that they had sufficient notice as to when and where...

Your logic isn't convincing. Mistress Abi had a years long relationship with Mosley as a client. They are both switchers which should have made for a very stable erotic as well as business relationship. she knew him long before she met and married her husband. and out of the blue this woman changed her attitude and got the idea to set him up for a meagre fee from NoTW. by doing that she ruins her SM model business and brings her friend from "Bums on the Run" Zena Stones, Leia-Ann Woods and Jadie Reece in serious trouble? tell that to people who listen to grimm's fairy tales! I'd say she was payed big bucks to betray him that way and those bucks came from someone who initiated the whole thing.

..NotW has little to fear from the courts. All they have to do is hint that the presiding judge (or his family) could be next if they don't see things their way. I am not kidding either. Just look at the history of these type of cases. If there is ever a settlement it is always for a relative pittance. Certainly far less than the tabloid made over the whole mess. What make Max think he is any different? ...

LOL, I have plenty more trust in the British justice than you. the English judge has already hinted at his dissatisfaction with the whole thing. via grandprix.com it transpired that the reporter Neville Thurbeck fabricated the Nazi connotation.

Anthony Scrivener also gave his legal opinions about the Mosley Scandal and pointed out that the films of Mosley's orgy included a part in which the reporter from the News of the World told the prostitutes involved to try to get Mosley to make Nazi references. If this allegation is true it will have a big effect on the legal actions going on.

Once that is notorious with the law the paper will loose all protection that the freedom of speech grants to the press. the press must tell the truth and not fabricate fiction. NoTW will very likely be sentenced to damages and there will be excruciating pressure on Mistress Abi and Thurbeck to tell the truth about the initiation of the sting. the claimants lawyer will pull them one after the other in the witness stand. perjury isn't so easily bought with money if you can go to jail. to reveil additional sordid details will only increase potential damages. it will not change one bit of the legal status for Mosley.

BS! Havent you seen the video about the Fox News reporters getting canned for running a detrimental story about a sponsor?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tcjzdoiL0j4

And what did the courts say???? THAT THE NEWS AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE TO REPORT THE TRUTH!!!

Tells you who is really in charge.

Chris

[WhiteBlue]

BS! Havent you seen the video about the Fox News reporters getting canned for running a detrimental story about a sponsor?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tcjzdoiL0j4

And what did the courts say???? THAT THE NEWS AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE TO REPORT THE TRUTH!!!

Tells you who is really in charge.

Chris

I wouldn't put a lot of trust in the US judical system when it comes to a poor man versus Rupert Murdoch. That case may be rectified one day but it will take a group with power and money to push it through the system.

Mosley's case is different. Both sides can afford considerable money, the very best laywers and it is playing in a country which has a public news system. the BBC is completely owned by the taxpayer and they aren't exactly submissive to Murdoch. In fact they are competitors when it comes to Formula one.

At the moment we can only speculate what the facts might be. the law suit will bring more information to the public domain what really happened. then we will see if NoTW lied.

Typically grandprix.com are not exactly pro Mosley. they very much were in the McLaren camp in the spygate case. nevertheless they say Mosley may have a case if the info about the Nazi story is right. It tells us something.

let's wait and see who is right on this.

[Ciro Pabón]

Any statements from Bernie or the CVC yet?

Ecclestone added this morning to the Times newspaper that he believed Mosley would actually carry on at the FIA for the long term if he won the confidence vote today - despite his public declarations that he will step down next year whatever the outcome.

"The problem is, if he stays until 2009, he will run again," Ecclestone said. "I am 100 per cent certain about that; no, one million per cent certain. That's what he said. He says: 'I don't have to do anything. There'll be another election and I can stand if I want.'"

Ecclestone added that there were sections of F1 that wished Mosley to go because it would help the commercial side of the sport.

"It has been difficult for me," Ecclestone explained. "The people I deal with are commercial people, manufacturers, sponsors and teams. They want peace and they want to get on with the business and the sport. Max doesn't care - he's not commercial - he hasn't got one single dollar invested, so he doesn't give a stuff."

Translation: he's poor and stupid, so we're divorced.

[WhiteBlue]

.... Ecclestone added that there were sections of F1 that wished Mosley to go because it would help the commercial side of the sport.

"It has been difficult for me," Ecclestone explained. "The people I deal with are commercial people, manufacturers, sponsors and teams. They want peace and they want to get on with the business and the sport. Max doesn't care - he's not commercial - he hasn't got one single dollar invested, so he doesn't give a stuff."

Translation: he's poor and stupid, so we're divorced.[/quote]

or: he used to help me make tons of money to the detriment of the FIA but he isn't playing ball any more and I have to get rid of him.