Bottas was gradually getting out of DRS zone
It was yoyoing all the time and Vettel never managed to get into DRS again... it was stale mate at the point .... and Vettel only had 1 lap younger tyres so no pace advantage
Bottas was gradually getting out of DRS zone
Yes I called it at that time... I was shouting at the tv PIT PIT PIT lewis and Kimi ( my wife was not happy )... it was really no brainer at that moment
I am still absolutely baffled. They saw what the Red Bulls were able to do, laptime wise with the mediums and they still didn't get the trick...matt_b wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 12:19Seb had a 3.2 second lead and boxed straight after Bottas, they didn't leave him out for 2 more laps. Ferrari thought the gap would be enough to react but Seb didn't have the tyres left and Bottas did a phenomenal outlap. I think a lack of communication on tyre life around that point let them down probably trying to keep it quiet from mercedes but mercedes just went for it.
Nope. They should wait when there is a SC situation and wait for the leaders to pass pit entry and got stuck them behind SC.siskue2005 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 15:14IMO they should bring such one step lower tyre for every race ... it has spiced up the race.... what do u guys think ?
Apart from that Verstappen was too 'greedy' today, you're blowing things out of proportion.Restomaniac wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:23The irony that has been missed is that Verstappen actually caused both Vettel and Hamilton to lose places in his nutcase move. Hamilton had to take evasive action off the track which let Raikkonen through.
Don't get me wrong Vettel lost far more but Verstappen managed to cause both of the 4 time WDC's issues in 1 idiotic move.
Bear in mind that Verstappen had also tried a brain dead move in an impossible place on Hamilton only a few laps earlier. Does he never learn?
Yes poor call for Lewis and kimiManoah2u wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 15:34Worse of it is that had Hamilton been handed out a pitstop either during the safety car (which probably wasn't wisest but atleast left him immediately within the pack),
or a lap or 3 afterwards, he would have had fresh tires and then had magically reappeared within the top 5 anyway due to the incident between max and vettel,
and thanks to his brand new tires could have potentially passed both Kimi and Bottas in the end and finish 2nd.
At the worst, with the pitstop, Hamilton would have finished where he finished anyway; 5th, and would have gotten the same 'luck' with Max' penalty, so finishing 4th.
But it could have given him 2nd instead.
Mercedes seems all the way back to 2012 in decision making somehow.
Reverse the situation: how many times has max done this to others was Lewis did today + what do you expect after bahrain (that he waves him through?). Good to see Lewis giving max a taste of his own medicine.Manoah2u wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 15:23Apart from that Verstappen was too 'greedy' today, you're blowing things out of proportion.Restomaniac wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:23The irony that has been missed is that Verstappen actually caused both Vettel and Hamilton to lose places in his nutcase move. Hamilton had to take evasive action off the track which let Raikkonen through.
Don't get me wrong Vettel lost far more but Verstappen managed to cause both of the 4 time WDC's issues in 1 idiotic move.
Bear in mind that Verstappen had also tried a brain dead move in an impossible place on Hamilton only a few laps earlier. Does he never learn?
Verstappens move on Ham was far from brain-dead, it was a phenomenal move but Lewis i'd say actually pulled a really d*ck move on Max which was left completely unattended and quite frankly set a stage.
If you actually have the b*lls to objectively and calmly look at that move of verstappen on Hamilton, then you would have noticed that verstappen was alongside hamilton, when all of a sudden, Hamilton's car made a sudden frisky move to the right, which Max had to evade and sent him off track which then saw Ricciardo pass him.
Hamilton had the line completely under control, and in my opinion, pushed him off track deliberately. there was no braking problems for Lewis, there was no loss of grip, it was a clear signal to Max that he wasn't making it easy on him, in my opinion, a rather ***hole move, especially since Max' front wheels far passed Lewis rear wheels in the corner so Lewis was actually oblidged to leave him space - which he actually totally did not. Apart from all of that,
the outside line was dirty too so there was no grip for Max to respond to Lewis suddenly moving towards him.
even if it wasn't delibarate at all, that doesn't make it a brain-dead move. the only braindead move i saw today
was that of Gasly on Hartley.
Had Lewis not done that move, then Max would have passed him - obviously, he knows this - and zero of all the incidents afterwards would have happened. Instead, we would be celebrating a guaranteed win from Verstappen - not to take away any of the sensational driving DannyRic pulled.
Verstappen taking on Vettel was a risky move and frankly, there was no more room for him to do what he did, so the blame surely is fully with Max, but that does not at all mean that Vettel's race was quite over by then as his tires were out of life anyway. Max got too greedy, all he needed to do was wait for those last 2 corners and he would have passed Vettel on the straight with DRS before corner 1 with two fingers in his nose - so yes a blunt stupid move of Max, but that still doesn't take away Lewis' pushing Max off the track.
I'm not entirely sure i think the 10 sec penalty was fair - a penalty was fair for sure, but i think 5 secs would have been fine enough taking in account previous similar penalties given, or even for much worse. He got the same penalty Gasly had for straight up driving into his teammate, causing debris and a safety car.
In the end though, there are some clear conlusions from China:
1 - Ferrari completely screwed up their race and handed it out on a silver platter to the competition.
2 - Mercedes had very lousy response to the race as it unfolded and similarly handed out their race to the competition.
3 - RedBull has a very strong race package, did pay thorough attention, and as such happily took the prize.
Which means a couple of things:
A ) Ferrari is far from as mighty as they painted in the first 2 races.
B ) Mercedes is capable to do more than we saw in the first 2 races but is really sensitive to pressure and crumbles.
C ) If RB had qually mode and a better engine, Ferrari and Merc didnt stand a chance.
after all, RB had gigantic bad luck in the first 2 races. it is only now that we see their true pace.
Finally, this win could not have come at a better time for both DannyRic and RedBull. If this happens more, DR might very well stay with RB. At the same time, Max really needs to calm down, his hotheaded behaviour (which is a carbon copy of his dads) is costing him a lot, in all 3 races by now already.
They could be if they are consistent , he would get enough penalty points on his license and a race ban , and then i think they should ban the car not to compete so red bull also gets more strict with him. They told him to calm down after the start , should have done it also while he was behind vettel tell him not yet dude wait till the next turn
vengeance is never a good thing. doesn't take away that indeed Max has caused similar issues with other drivers,
there's no whining, it's the cold hard truth. they are dealing with it but the fact remains the same.Please quit the whining over that rbr engine, they have a renault: deal with it. Horner and marko have put themselves in this situation that they're into.