So 1 second pace difference to the winning cars? That´s far from poor
Can´t wait to Montmello!
dren wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 17:06Yes, different strategies. Ricciardo was lapping quicker than 1s per lap than Alonso, but due to strategy with pit stop times included, Alonso was on average 1s a lap slower.Macklaren wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 14:45Yes, again because he was running a completely different strategy on different tires. Also starting 10 pace behind hurts your ability to run in the pace. I'm by no means suggesting that the McL has the same pace as the RB. It prob not 1sec/lap in Race trim though.
You can also look at the race between Alonso and Kimi. Both ran almost identical strategies. Alonso finished 20 seconds down, losing a second a lap to Kimi in the last 20 or so laps after the safety car. Alonso had 2 laps newer tires on the final stint.
Yeah that's true, that's why it's important to look at the race as a whole and compare lap times from different part of the races, i.e. traffic vs. free air. Comparing Fernando to Kimi (most similar in terms of strategy and tyres).trinidefender wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 19:32You can't simply divide the finishing time behind a certain car by the number of laps and say they are X number of seconds behind and claim their race pace is that much slower. It doesn't work like that. That doesn't take into account the largest factor. Traffic. Running I'm traffic hurts race pace a lot.
I think mclaren joining with renault basically helped them to realize there are weakness in their chassis for all these years previously. and it call "Drag", The last time they made a good chassis was 2012. It a positive now because they can focus the aero and make it more efficient .This year, they’ve made a reasonable if unspectacular chassis; it’s around a similar level to the works Renault
We all know Baku will be a difficult track, if we could finish in points it would be a blessing.diffuser wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:05Doesn't really matter how much you speculate, it has no effect on what will come to be.
For me, they've already achieved what they set out to do this year. What will arrive in Spain will just be gravy. I mean obviously we want them to improve but at least there is racing this year. They pass cars on the track, it isn't always backwards.
I wonder if that means there will not be much at Baku with regards to upgrades? They've already pointed our Gaze to Spain...
It's just nicely phrased to say that they'll bring a bigger update pack, which is something literally every team does and has done so for quite a few years.Chuckjr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 02:47I'm not saying any of this is going to happen, but if this is true...
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... for_Spain/
"After a tough start to the 2018 season despite the Honda era having ended, Spain’s Marca newspaper said the team may be preparing a ‘new chassis’ for the race in Barcelona next month.
Team boss Eric Boullier now confirms to Speed Week: “The 2018 car as we imagined it will be in Spain.
“In an ideal world, we would have had it for Australia but it was not possible. So we have used so far a development of the 2017 car,” revealed the Frenchman.
“We knew from the beginning that our options would be limited, although it has been frustrating, particularly in qualifying.”
Asked if the ‘B’ car will finally put McLaren where it wants to be, Boullier answered: “I’d rather promise less and deliver more.
“I’ve been in formula one long enough to say that we’ll drink champagne when we reach the podium.”"
Yes I agree, now when they have good engine can focus on chassis development.techman wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 11:56I think mclaren joining with renault basically helped them to realize there are weakness in their chassis for all these years previously. and it call "Drag", The last time they made a good chassis was 2012. It a positive now because they can focus the aero and make it more efficient .This year, they’ve made a reasonable if unspectacular chassis; it’s around a similar level to the works Renault
Not really, I remember various seasons in the mid 2000's when McLaren regularly brought B spec cars during the season and had big steps in performance.wesley123 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 11:58It's just nicely phrased to say that they'll bring a bigger update pack, which is something literally every team does and has done so for quite a few years.Chuckjr wrote: ↑19 Apr 2018, 02:47I'm not saying any of this is going to happen, but if this is true...
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... for_Spain/
"After a tough start to the 2018 season despite the Honda era having ended, Spain’s Marca newspaper said the team may be preparing a ‘new chassis’ for the race in Barcelona next month.
Team boss Eric Boullier now confirms to Speed Week: “The 2018 car as we imagined it will be in Spain.
“In an ideal world, we would have had it for Australia but it was not possible. So we have used so far a development of the 2017 car,” revealed the Frenchman.
“We knew from the beginning that our options would be limited, although it has been frustrating, particularly in qualifying.”
Asked if the ‘B’ car will finally put McLaren where it wants to be, Boullier answered: “I’d rather promise less and deliver more.
“I’ve been in formula one long enough to say that we’ll drink champagne when we reach the podium.”"
And the claim that they have used an evolution of the 2017 car instead of the actual 2018 car is a big load of bullshit.
The car has quite a few significant differences compared to the 2017 car and it's also rather weird to give the car a new designation if it's just an update of last years car. What also is weird is that this is the first time(afaik) they actually mention using a 2017 car, instead of the 2018 car.
Of course I can't be 100% certain, but I'll take this with a grain of salt. I for one am looking forward to them saying this isn't actually the 2018 car either, that'll be funny.
Bill_Kar wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 11:56We all know Baku will be a difficult track, if we could finish in points it would be a blessing.diffuser wrote: ↑20 Apr 2018, 18:05Doesn't really matter how much you speculate, it has no effect on what will come to be.
For me, they've already achieved what they set out to do this year. What will arrive in Spain will just be gravy. I mean obviously we want them to improve but at least there is racing this year. They pass cars on the track, it isn't always backwards.
I wonder if that means there will not be much at Baku with regards to upgrades? They've already pointed our Gaze to Spain...
So, it's much more sensible to keep the update and work on the details two weeks further and Spain will be spot on.
In regard to your second paragraph, I both agree and disagree. Sure, McLaren looks much better off this year, but there is a long way in front and we have to keep evolving. Finishing 4th is a matter of symbolism more of essence.
That's a good point you've made. Let's hope it's an "updated" version of the car they should have brought to Melbourne. Hopefully, they were working on two fronts...mrluke wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:18Even if Mclaren are bringing their "Australia car" to Spain, that means they are at least 7 weeks of updates behind the other teams, assuming none of those tested their Aus cars in the winter testing.
Its all academic really whatever way you spin it the car Mclaren will have in Spain will be racing against the cars the other teams bring to Spain, not the ones they had in Aus.