and all the grinding dust was not cleaned up, substandard
Yeah, when ever F1 has a bad race, many people bang on about how good motoGP is. Well, this race was terrible, boring through the whole race. Highlight for me was Jackass shoving the 99 out the way (and not a 93 style shove, this was a legal shove)
I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.johnny comelately wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 21:55you can see why marquez was stoners protege, his braking and corner speed a class above.
Maybe Stoner is more like Rosberg?GPR-A wrote:I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.johnny comelately wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 21:55you can see why marquez was stoners protege, his braking and corner speed a class above.
The fact that he chose to retire, considering the dangers of motor racing, to me says, he was probably not the most passionate riders. There are those F1 drivers and then MotoGP riders, all they want to do is race. They make the sport special.
Exactly! I got the same thought, but didn't put it here.JonoNic wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 14:39Maybe Stoner is more like Rosberg?GPR-A wrote:I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.johnny comelately wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 21:55you can see why marquez was stoners protege, his braking and corner speed a class above.
The fact that he chose to retire, considering the dangers of motor racing, to me says, he was probably not the most passionate riders. There are those F1 drivers and then MotoGP riders, all they want to do is race. They make the sport special.
With respect:GPR-A wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 14:36I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.johnny comelately wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 21:55you can see why marquez was stoners protege, his braking and corner speed a class above.
The fact that he chose to retire, considering the dangers of motor racing, to me says, he was probably not the most passionate riders. There are those F1 drivers and then MotoGP riders, all they want to do is race. They make the sport special.
If you ever chat with any MotoGP people, everyone will agree that Stoner was legendary material. He just wasn't motivated or obsessed with victory, he just wanted to enjoy racing. Compare him to Kimi, same mentality.GPR-A wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 14:36I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.johnny comelately wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 21:55you can see why marquez was stoners protege, his braking and corner speed a class above.
The fact that he chose to retire, considering the dangers of motor racing, to me says, he was probably not the most passionate riders. There are those F1 drivers and then MotoGP riders, all they want to do is race. They make the sport special.