I literally have no words.
(a) Because the original assassin theory is so outrageously dumb.
(b) Because Ciro's post is hilarious.
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I say that because his had is shaking a bit due to Gforces and in the turn his head goes a bit to the left due to G Forces, and then his head moves completely to the left like he is deadGecko wrote:You have a disturbingly vivid imagination, wesley123.
Why do you say his head movement is "lifeless"? Just where did you get that idea? If you check the tape very carefully, the moment he tilts the head is the moment he turns the steering wheel fully because the car started to understeer off the track. To do that an F1 driver must cross the arms, and probably tilt the upper body and therefore the head as well. It's hard to say what happened exactly from the video, but why go for an out of the world explanation when a very straightforward one is readily available.
On a left turn you push your head to the left to counter the G-forces. When these forces are suddenly gone when not expecting it by going straight your head goes hard to the left.wesley123 wrote:I say that because his had is shaking a bit due to Gforces and in the turn his head goes a bit to the left due to G Forces, and then his head moves completely to the left like he is deadGecko wrote:You have a disturbingly vivid imagination, wesley123.
Why do you say his head movement is "lifeless"? Just where did you get that idea? If you check the tape very carefully, the moment he tilts the head is the moment he turns the steering wheel fully because the car started to understeer off the track. To do that an F1 driver must cross the arms, and probably tilt the upper body and therefore the head as well. It's hard to say what happened exactly from the video, but why go for an out of the world explanation when a very straightforward one is readily available.
that makes a lot of sense.segedunum wrote:Senna's death was his own fault, but that probably didn't come out because F1 and Williams wanted no suspicion cast over them.
Throughout Senna's career, certainly when he was at Lotus, his standard response to a lack of speed in a car was to drop the ride height of the car far lower than most drivers were prepared to go and drive the wheels off it. You can see that he did this at Brazil in 1994, and his qualifying lap was full of sparks and a haze where the car consistently bottomed out on the circuit. Brazil, being a bumpy circuit, causes problems here, but because Interlagos isn't particularly high speed he got away with it albeit spinning off.
At Imola, the circuit was ridiculously bumpy, and yet, Senna insisted on a ride height setting that was far lower than Damona Hill's. You can see this from the shots of both cars. Senna produced far more sparks and haze from the undertray, and the onboard shot of his last lap is very telling. When downforce was applied to the car there was a very low pitched drone that was nothing like the normal engine note you would hear, and it only returned to normal when the downforce had come off in a slow corner. This means that there was no part of the circuit virtually where the car was not bottoming out. In 1994 we also had a ban on Active Suspension, and this simply made an unstable car even more unstable.
I've said that he got away with bottoming at Interlagos because the corners are much slower. In a high speed corner, bottoming is suicide. What happens is that the underside of the car ends up steering the car in a straight line, and because of the force involved, it becomes impossible to steer out of it, thus you see Senna really trying to get the car to go left. This is totally compounded when you have a car that needs an aerodynamic balance both over and under the car, and the effect of this is impossible to tell.
Until I see something that disproves the above (and there is very audible and visual evidence for the above), then the notion that Williams killed Senna, that there was a steering column failure or that he was shot is just the usual bollocks from people who refuse to believe that Senna wasn't quite as God-like and invincible as they want him to be. The steering failure theory is baloney, because you had to see how bumpy Imola was, you had to see and hear how much contact there was between the track and Senna's car and you have to understand the effects of serious bottoming in a high speed corner.
Did Williams and the wider F1 team cover up? Yes they did, because they simply didn't want any suspicion cast on Formula One. Did they kill Senna? No they didn't at all. Senna killed himself, which is why Villeneuve was not allowed to try a lower ride height and stiff suspension set up at the Williams for quite some time.
That, too!WhiteBlue wrote:Second that! =D>segedunum wrote:...quote]
that makes a lot of sense.
donskar wrote:Love the various threads in F1Tech.net. They range from the sublime to the ridiculous, but are always interesting.
This one rates right up there with the thread on Max Mosley's adventures in terms of what it tells us about OURSELVES.
I´ll try to translate:en 1994, en la retransmision de argentina, tuvo lugar esta conversacion entre Juan Manuel Fangio y el Dr.Donadei
Fangio: Pense que nunca se iba a matar
Dr. Donadei: Juan, sólo le voy a decir una cosa: Nuvolari, Ayrton y usted no se van a morir nunca. Sólo se mueren los que son olvidados. Y Ayrton, a vos, ¿quién puede olvidarte?