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Please guys, I'm not arguing about how unnecessarily aggressive that move/overtake was, but everybody is so quick to point out that this is illegal while in fact it isn't. Paragraph 27.5 is now forfeit from the sporting regulations. If anyone can give me black on white that blocking with more than one move is not allowed I would be grateful. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... 17-884973/
From the bottom of the very article you linked to
Whiting clarified that the strict rules governing drivers only making one move while defending a position remain in place.
Some people dont't understand what the "racing line" is.
Racing line is not the line a driver takes in order to defend. That's the "defensive line"
"Racing line" is the line that a car would normally take in order to approach a corner, take the corner and exit the corner as fast as possible.
So VER was never actually on the racing line.The racing line in order to make a left turn is the outside line.
At that point it doesn't really matter because in wheel to wheel racing the goal is not to take the corner as fast as possible, but to maintain the position.
So forget about the racing line because VES was never in the racing line.
He went straight to his defensive line (inside) because that's the best line to have when defending.
So RIC follows him on the inside for the slip streaming. RIC is closing on him with at least 20-25 km/h more speed.
He already knows from previous attempts that if he is going to commit to the outside ( the actual race line ) VER can try and put him on the wall as he previously did. He didn't had the space to clear him on the outside. You need to be more than a full length of car in front in order to turn in without risking contact. So if VER can push him to the wall and the team allowed it once, he has to do something else.
I am 90% sure that RIC had already planed to dive to the inside. He just needed to dummy VER to move right and open up space on the inside.
So RIC moves right towards the racing line and VES moves right towards the racing line also, which he is fully entitled to do. Moving towards the racing line in order to make the corner is permitted even if you had already moved once.
So VES took the bate, open up space on the inside so RIC follows his plan and dives to the inside.
VES at that point STOPS going towards the racing line and he moves again back to his defensive line. NOT in order to make the corner faster of course but to block RIC for taking and keeping the inside.
RIC is still coming hot 25km/h faster and closing. The moment he reach the inside line he immediately starts braking.
You can see it from the drs when he hits the brakes. People has to realize that in order to hit the brakes he needs to get out of the slip streaming. That's why he hits the brakes exactly when he was on the inside and out of the slip streaming. He also has to start braking little bit earlier because he is carrying more speed.
So VES was moving towards the racing line (outside) and when he realizes that he is about to lose the inside, he moves back to the inside blocking RIC. He didn't actually move under breaking because if you watch all angles he starts to heavy brake the moment he gets in front of RIC. That's even worst than moving under braking in f1. Because if the other guy is already heavy braking and you move in front of him, he looses down force and and brake efficiency. That's the whole point of not allowing 2 moves. Its just the laws of physics. If you suddenly move in front of a car that is heavy braking, and you hit the brakes also, he would never be able to brake as efficient as the car in front because he had lost a lot of down force thus braking efficiency and stability. Is literally inevitable that he will lock wheels and hit you from behind.
Note1. If we had a right turn coming and not a left. VES wouldn't be at fault. He would have been in the racing line, move slightly to the inside to block RIC and then move back to the racing line in order to make the corner.
But being a e left turn coming that meant VER was never on the racing line.He went straight to his defensive line, then towards the racing lane and then back to his defensive line.
Note2. I wont wright anything else about that crash and i wont debate it any more. If people dont't agree and have other views, well i can't do much about it.
Some people don't understand that the rule they are talking about, is a rule that was put in place to stop excessive weaving. Racing line is a verbatim illustration of what one move is. A one move can be performed on any part of the straight, where an attack from behind is imminent. Hence, there hasn't been punishment for all those one moves, that have happened after the ruling was put in place.
People here are simply confused, thinking the ruling is for racing line!
Some people don't understand that the rule they are talking about, is a rule that was put in place to stop excessive weaving. Racing line is a verbatim illustration of what one move is. A one move can be performed on any part of the straight, where an attack from behind is imminent. Hence, there hasn't been punishment for all those one moves, that have happened after the ruling was put in place.
People here are simply confused, thinking the ruling is for racing line!
Exactly! And that is why I call it Verstappen’s racing line- because that is the refference point at that moment.
You have to look at it, as if he’s driving ‘the racing line’ because there are no separate rules for driving/ defending the off line, or any other part of track not called ‘the racing line’.
But I have to admit, you’re better in explaining it.
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
I don't really agree to this part. Daniel went off the track with 4 wheels, Max was entitled to keep any line he wants at that moment. The wheel banging part was because Daniel suddenly steered back onto the race track. In my opinion he should have backed out.
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
I don't really agree to this part. Daniel went off the track with 4 wheels, Max was entitled to keep any line he wants at that moment. The wheel banging part was because Daniel suddenly steered back onto the race track. In my opinion he should have backed out.
In one of the re-passing moves by Max, he actually forced Dan to brake and tuck in behind. If he hadn't he would have smeared his car all over the wall. Imo it wasn't a fair move.
banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
I don't really agree to this part. Daniel went off the track with 4 wheels, Max was entitled to keep any line he wants at that moment. The wheel banging part was because Daniel suddenly steered back onto the race track. In my opinion he should have backed out.
In one of the re-passing moves by Max, he actually forced Dan to brake and tuck in behind. If he hadn't he would have smeared his car all over the wall. Imo it wasn't a fair move.
At the banging wheels part - I am sure Sky went over this in Slo-MO and showed Daniel had not once left the track.His left set of wheels were on the white line, and they agreed only partially. Most of the wheel was on the track.
I'll try and find a clip from this anaylise on the sky box and confirm and upload a video from the phone.
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
I don't really agree to this part. Daniel went off the track with 4 wheels, Max was entitled to keep any line he wants at that moment. The wheel banging part was because Daniel suddenly steered back onto the race track. In my opinion he should have backed out.
Daniel 100% fault !!!!!!!!!
This time Verstappen has no blame in my opinion
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
Hugely disappointing from Max today, slower than Dan in the race, banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
RedBull really need to put Max in TR for a couple of races as punishment!
I don't know how its in your country but if if you drive (crash) someone from behind you are always guilty! Edit Thunder: Toned down
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
Hugely disappointing from Max today, slower than Dan in the race, banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
RedBull really need to put Max in TR for a couple of races as punishment!
I don't know how its in your country but if if you drive (crash) someone from behind you are always guilty!
You do realize driving on roads and racing on a closed circuit are two different things? I mean C'mon. Max moved TWICE under braking. Twice, its illegal. Simple as that. But yeah continue.
I was really huge fan of Max, but what he does lately is just immature. Red Bull should consider switching with Gasly for race or two, because with Max it's just getting worse every race.
Hugely disappointing from Max today, slower than Dan in the race, banging into his wheels, running him out of track and then changing direction twice under breaking which ultimately cost the team a significant chunk of points!
RedBull really need to put Max in TR for a couple of races as punishment!
I don't know how its in your country but if if you drive (crash) someone from behind you are always guilty!
Its a good thing that F1 has far more rules in place for driving standards, then.
I think they both have to take some of the blame. I think both misjudged the situation and it was a bit clumsy on both their parts.
I also think that, with hindsight, Ver would have remained right, let Ric outbreak himself, and sweep round on the natural racing line to retake the position.
Is Ver more to blame? Maybe, but only a little and only because he could see what Ric was doing and could have gotten out of the way while Ric had committed to the move.
I personally think the FIA got it right on this one....and I speak as a Ric fan.
I will say though that Ver does need to be aware of the reputation he's getting. As someone else posted up thread: If you keep having crashes, then they're your fault, even when they're not. Ver keeps having these incidents and so perception will be that they're all his fault, even if that's not actually the case.
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