It would be nice to watch closer before jumping to such (wishful) conclusions. Toyota (being the only Hybrid car) is the quickest one (by much) so all the #7 had to do was to climb up to P2 as quickly as possible (which is easy being a Toyota and a 6 hour race...) and then wait for mess and safety cars (which came). So with all of those safety cars, the seat belt mistake with the other japanese driver that costed 1 whole extra stop and the japanese driver's spin and all of those safety cars over 6 hours it was a fact that the gap would close! Even if Alonso's car started P2 he would be just behind #7's tail with all of those safety cars alone. As for Conway closing the gap, it was obvious that he was going with a way more aggressive strategy burning more fuel. When Conway boxed, Alonso boxed too after it but the gap opened up, obviously Conway put more fuel in while Alonso was conserving to the end and he managed it quite well with the traffic and everything being a totally different car (and category), different team, 1st time out and also missed the prolog. So, check closer before saying that they just handed the win to him. The only thing I'd want is Porsche so we have some more competition on the top but fighting with the experienced team-mates is also fun.
I did watch the race and i know what i saw.ALO_Power wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 09:56It would be nice to watch closer before jumping to such (wishful) conclusions. Toyota (being the only Hybrid car) is the quickest one (by much) so all the #7 had to do was to climb up to P2 as quickly as possible (which is easy being a Toyota and a 6 hour race...) and then wait for mess and safety cars (which came). So with all of those safety cars, the seat belt mistake with the other japanese driver that costed 1 whole extra stop and the japanese driver's spin and all of those safety cars over 6 hours it was a fact that the gap would close! Even if Alonso's car started P2 he would be just behind #7's tail with all of those safety cars alone. As for Conway closing the gap, it was obvious that he was going with a way more aggressive strategy burning more fuel. When Conway boxed, Alonso boxed too after it but the gap opened up, obviously Conway put more fuel in while Alonso was conserving to the end and he managed it quite well with the traffic and everything being a totally different car (and category), different team, 1st time out and also missed the prolog. So, check closer before saying that they just handed the win to him. The only thing I'd want is Porsche so we have some more competition on the top but fighting with the experienced team-mates is also fun.
which shows your view is too negative of Alonso at least, and in my opinion too cynical in general,as lower fuel stints by Conway could easily explain his progress. But, I'll keep an open mind.Alonso also had to contend with a loss of hybrid boost and rising gearbox temperatures during his final stint in the car.
Oh full cynical, that was a win manufactured by the way of team orders and the faster car didn't win, not a fan of that.bosyber wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:03I wasn't able to see all of the race, but I tend to think racing drivers aren't so easy to steer with team orders; regardless, racefans.net/ confirms something I got from my Twitter follow of the end of the race:which shows your view is too negative of Alonso at least, and in my opinion too cynical in general,as lower fuel stints by Conway could easily explain his progress. But, I'll keep an open mind.Alonso also had to contend with a loss of hybrid boost and rising gearbox temperatures during his final stint in the car.
And your point is that this is all a big manufactured show without any real racing?
Let it go mate. It's also very fun to see that Alonso's haters spent 6 hours to watch a race he did in another category (that other f1 drivers of his class wouldn't even dare to) only to make up stories so they can bash him after his victory. Imagine what we will see if McLaren gets competitive in F1 I guess people would say that the severe damage he had in Baku made the car faster that's why he recovered and even smashed Vandoorne with an undamaged carbosyber wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:03I wasn't able to see all of the race, but I tend to think racing drivers aren't so easy to steer with team orders; regardless, racefans.net/ confirms something I got from my Twitter follow of the end of the race:which shows your view is too negative of Alonso at least, and in my opinion too cynical in general,as lower fuel stints by Conway could easily explain his progress. But, I'll keep an open mind.Alonso also had to contend with a loss of hybrid boost and rising gearbox temperatures during his final stint in the car.
That's true, the level of competition always gives weight to a victory but it happens. Let's not forget that this was the same in F1 in 2013 (at least 2nd half of it), 2014, 2015 and 2016, from the recent years. Not another category but the result was the same.DiogoBrand wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:30The thing is: This championship was always going to be bullshit with Toyota racing against nobody but themselves. If they had already won Le Mans there would be no reason for them to even continue with endurance racing.
So even if Alonso does win Le Mans (and bear in mind I'm a huge Alonso fan) it's probably going to be the hollowest of Le Mans victories. Does that mean he's a bad driver? Absolutely not, he's possibly the best in the whole WEC field, but still, winning a 24 hour race when you're easily able to lap every car but your own sister car is always gonna be a bullshit win (if it happens).
So it's a good thing that Alonso is able to win Le Mans, but so sad that if he does win, it definitely won't be a win as big as he (in my opinion) deserves.
Completely agree on that, but looking at it from a different perspective, that´s the same as saying Vettel or Hamilton titles are the hollowest titles in F1 because they didn´t have any real competition apart from their team mates.... and Hamilton lost one btw and Vettel almost lost two with an inferior rival carDiogoBrand wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:30The thing is: This championship was always going to be bullshit with Toyota racing against nobody but themselves. If they had already won Le Mans there would be no reason for them to even continue with endurance racing.
So even if Alonso does win Le Mans (and bear in mind I'm a huge Alonso fan) it's probably going to be the hollowest of Le Mans victories. Does that mean he's a bad driver? Absolutely not, he's possibly the best in the whole WEC field, but still, winning a 24 hour race when you're easily able to lap every car but your own sister car is always gonna be a bullshit win (if it happens).
So it's a good thing that Alonso is able to win Le Mans, but so sad that if he does win, it definitely won't be a win as big as he (in my opinion) deserves.