Ferrari, and its mother company, Fiat Chrysler, have announced changes at the lead of the company to replace CEO Sergio Marchionne, after the company was informed he will be unable to return to work.
Well. Monaco 2012 comes to mind. When RB's hole in the floor was declared illegal and they then removed that for Canadian GP.RZS10 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:34Why are they allowed to run an illegal car again (was technically illegal in the first three races) ?
If those mirrors are illegal, they should force them to remove them right away and not from the next race - especially since they could ask them to run the mirror cams which would essentially force them to go back to the standard ones ....
Ferrari's car was technically illegal in the first 3 races? Huh?RZS10 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:34Why are they allowed to run an illegal car again (was technically illegal in the first three races) ?
If those mirrors are illegal, they should force them to remove them right away and not from the next race - especially since they could ask them to run the mirror cams which would essentially force them to go back to the standard ones ....
Come on.. are you serious?
This was only an optical thing if you looked from bird view. It didn't increase their performance in any way. Just tells you that the opponents try everything possible to weaken the strongest car as it was RBR who wanted FIA to investigate this particular thing. 
Because scrutineering team deemed it legal. When you get a sticker, you can race with that car and all the parts that pass the scrutiny.RZS10 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 12:34Why are they allowed to run an illegal car again (was technically illegal in the first three races) ?
If those mirrors are illegal, they should force them to remove them right away and not from the next race - especially since they could ask them to run the mirror cams which would essentially force them to go back to the standard ones ....
I highly doubt that anywhere in the rule books there was a part which told that wings on the mirror which are attached to the halo are illegal. They surely didn't think about that.RZS10 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 13:23yea i'm serious but you're unable to distinguish between "techncially illegal" and just plain "illegal" ... i'm already acknowledging that it did not give them an advantage ...
with the winged mirrors however it's quite clear they're there for performance ... Ferrari tried some bullshit reasoning (was it "it's structural"?) and fortunately the FIA shut it down before this area got exploited too badly ...
I just don't understand why they're allowed to use them when they could be asked to remove them right away (for the mirror cams) - so it's not that the FIA is doing things to hurt Ferrari (as you implied) - on the contrary they are allowing them to keep illegal parts which (surely) improve aero
My guess is that some of the changes on the rear wing work with those illegal wings and removing them would have a negative impact on the overall aero so ... yea
There is - Rule 3.5.2 aLM10 wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 13:33I highly doubt that anywhere in the rule books there was a part which told that wings on the mirror which are attached to the halo are illegal. They surely didn't think about that.
Now, Ferrari has done it, it passed scrutineering at first (so it was legal), but the FIA changed the rules after the teams complained about it.
Those wings are neither mirror housings, nor mirror mounts, therefore they're illegal bodywork.F1 Technical Regulations wrote:Other than the rear view mirrors (including their housings and mountings), each with a maximum area of 20000mm2 and 14000 mm2 when viewed from directly above or directly from the side respectively, no bodywork situated more than 330mm behind the front wheel centre line and more than 330mm forward of the rear wheel centre line, which is more than 600mm above the reference plane, may be more than 350mm from the car centre plane.
This isn't a post-development rule change though. Those mirrors were illegal all along, the FIA just chose to let it slide for a weekend for no apparent reason.Zynerji wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 13:42Post- development rule changes should be an offense that a tream can sue the FIA to recover development expenses. I'm sure, like they do with everything else, had checked this with the FIA long before making a carbon piece, for legality, and apparently got the go ahead.
Top wing is a mounting point for mirror, according to Ferrari. It's connected to the mirror.Moose wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 05:37Those wings are neither mirror housings, nor mirror mounts, therefore they're illegal bodywork.F1 Technical Regulations wrote:Other than the rear view mirrors (including their housings and mountings), each with a maximum area of 20000mm2 and 14000 mm2 when viewed from directly above or directly from the side respectively, no bodywork situated more than 330mm behind the front wheel centre line and more than 330mm forward of the rear wheel centre line, which is more than 600mm above the reference plane, may be more than 350mm from the car centre plane.
