2018 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, May 24-27

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speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
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Andres125sx wrote:
24 May 2018, 20:28
"... in a manner that posed no danger to the other drivers"

So entering not only the track, but the racing line, in reverse, while a car is coming, is not dangerous?? :wtf: #-o

Video of the incident
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/head ... ejoin.html

He could have turned left while reversing to avoid the racing line, then turning right he could have rejoin the track, but instead he reversed straight into the racing line. IMHO that deserve, at least, a reprimand, but it looks like FIA will never say a word to Max, no matter what he does
Spinning the car around like sky suggest was no option, not with marshalls and rescue vehicles on the wrong side of the wall. If he would have done that I think a penalty would be in order.

Maybe he could have backed out a bit more to the left. But if you want to look for precedent. Rosberg did pretty much the same during Q3 while there were 9 other cars on a hot lap. He did not get a penalty so why is it double standards when VES does not get one for doing it during practice?

I rather argue that the stewards were consistent.

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NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
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Edax wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:35
I rather argue that the stewards were consistent.
Consistently wrong imo, they both should have both gotten at least some points.
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How well does everyone expect the undercut to work this weekend, with these new tyres?

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NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
Not really. I think Pirelli would sell themselves short if they simplify it down to hard medium soft. While it seems ironic that the hardest tyre for use this GP is a supersoft, it implies to a new viewer (or a child) that there is a still a great big range of these Pirelli rainbow tyres out there engineered for different surfaces and conditions and to see them all... you have to watch all the races kids! ;-)
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NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
Something like that is in the works.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... &q=pirelli

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Drastic simplification of a sport which is complicated and extreme in its nature seems odd to me. Dumbing down stuff never works for the masses. It only attracts casual fans who then disappear soon after. Just look at the state of the video games industry right now.

The HS lasts 77 laps? Is that a typo or correct? Isn't it supposed to be the softest and least lasting of the range? 👀
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Sevach wrote:
25 May 2018, 07:06
NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
Something like that is in the works.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... &q=pirelli
Damn ...what is wrong with the current colors?
If F1 is complicated then they shouldn't be watching it, I really like these coloured tyres....adds great spectacle....my son who is 4 years loves these different colors

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I'm not a casual fan nor a new fan but I think the tyre change is a good idea. Calling the tyres "soft", "medium", "hard" makes more sense than the current system. Adding complication doesn't make something better.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
24 May 2018, 16:57
I would bet that Ferrari and Mercedes both expected RedBull to be the car to beat here. On that basis, I should think that both Vettel and Hamilton would be happy so long as they finish adjacent to each other (obviously, each would want to finish in front of the other). I would think that Ferrari and Mercedes both consider the other to be the team to beat this year - RedBull are realistically not yet close enough to these two to challenge for the season - so they won't be too worried about this as a bad one-off race..

Having said all of that, each of the 6 realistic pole position challengers will want to take pole and the win.
If RB continues to be that superior I guess third will be a victory for Lewis or Sebastian, so they main goal would be to finish the race on that position. Anyway I still hope that Ferrari can show a little bit more pace and reach the second position.

About the tyres, I am fine with the great range we have now, my main problem is that the softest compounds are not enough fast as we have seen so far. Races with only one stop is something I have never liked, 2-3 stops are fine though.

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siskue2005 wrote:
25 May 2018, 07:38
Sevach wrote:
25 May 2018, 07:06
NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
Something like that is in the works.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... &q=pirelli
Damn ...what is wrong with the current colors?
If F1 is complicated then they shouldn't be watching it, I really like these coloured tyres....adds great spectacle....my son who is 4 years loves these different colors
The Hypersoft color is wrong. It was almost impossible for me to discern between them in the inserts and on the cars.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
25 May 2018, 08:06
I'm not a casual fan nor a new fan but I think the tyre change is a good idea. Calling the tyres "soft", "medium", "hard" makes more sense than the current system. Adding complication doesn't make something better.
For the casual yes, but for us? Pirelli have, what? 7 different compounds? We know that certain cars favor certain compounds more than others. To keep the name as is helps us understand [technical minded fans] know what exact compounds they are racing on.

Perhaps Pirelli should have rather used "compound A, B, C, D... F" instead of "hyper soft, ultra soft" etc. Like this, they could name the tires soft/medium/hard, but still give us the opportunity to identify them by their compound spec (A, B, C). The casual fans won't care and for them it will just be hard/soft whatever, but we could still discuss them in more detail more accurately.

I feel this was possible the year before last, when we used to refer to the tires as PRIME/OPTION, but since we now have 3 compounds to choose from each race, that has gone out the window...
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Sevach wrote:
25 May 2018, 07:06
NathanOlder wrote:
24 May 2018, 23:18
speaking of tyres, I do feel its a bit silly when the slowest and HARDEST tyre for the weekend is the SuperSoft.

Can they not keep the colours (so we know what the real compound is) but just call the 3 tyres Soft , Medium and Hard. Surely this makes sense for new viewers too.

When a new viewer watching on TV hears Martin Brundle say "He pits and takes the harder tyre to try and get to the end" and see's the onscreen graphics say SuperSoft, it may be a little confusing ?
Something like that is in the works.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... &q=pirelli
Wow, they clearly read my post and copied it :lol:
Makes sense though, and it fits with the way the sport is going (dumbed down and aimed at new fans :evil: )
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Phil wrote:
25 May 2018, 08:54
Just_a_fan wrote:
25 May 2018, 08:06
I'm not a casual fan nor a new fan but I think the tyre change is a good idea. Calling the tyres "soft", "medium", "hard" makes more sense than the current system. Adding complication doesn't make something better.
For the casual yes, but for us? Pirelli have, what? 7 different compounds? We know that certain cars favor certain compounds more than others. To keep the name as is helps us understand [technical minded fans] know what exact compounds they are racing on.
The point is that you can have your 7 compounds but at each race they are just referred to as "hard, medium and soft". For those that want to look at compounds, you would just look to see what compound Pirelli brought to that race. That way during the race you just need to know that a driver is on a harder tyre than another driver. The current system has 4 tyres with "soft" in the name. Not all confusing!
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