2018 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, May 24-27

[GoranF1]

Hey guys.
Maybe a bit of topic but i have a question.
In junior categories which driver was better Gasly or Leclerc?
Not only titles or wins, which one was better over all?

[NathanOlder]

Leclerc for me. Gasly wasn't anything special in his first full season in GP2. His second full season he won but I remember Giovinazzi being more than a match for Gasly. Where as Leclerc smashed the field in his 1st season in there. Plus Leclerc won the gp3 title at the first attempt also.

[Sevach]

Some guy has posted on reddit possible changes to track layout to improve the racing.
Variant 1
Variant 2

Removing the chicane and going straight to the Tabac corner would help.

[Just_a_fan]

What about Verstappen overtake over Sainz with cutting the chicane? For me it was a clear overtake outside the track and yet another poker-face from stewards.
P.S. Vettel was really close to lose his car on some of braking points after the restart because his tyres were cold as hell. Vandorne definitely was an obstacle and after that he quickly lost about 5 seconds to Ricciardo.

Sainz cut the chicane in defence the lap before. The stewards obviously decided that Max gained no advantage because Sainz should have conceded the lap before. For once, I'm on Max's side on this one.

Vandorne wasn't an issue for Vettel because, as he said, he had no confidence in the tyres on the restart.

[Just_a_fan]

What a bore fest. and I blame Merc. They should have tried to pit one of the guys to hyper when 25 laps left in front of Ocon. They should have at least tried.

Also I dont believe Ric's "failure" was *that* bad.

You're just looking for an argument. No one is going to play.

[JesperA]

Why is Newey having such a hard time with Champagne? He was up on the podium quite alot when Vettel was in the team and he look equally in pain as today, it looks like he gets drenched in acid or something

[GPR-A duplicate2]

What about Verstappen overtake over Sainz with cutting the chicane? For me it was a clear overtake outside the track and yet another poker-face from stewards.

Just the previous lap when Verstappen was about to complete a clean pass on Sainz, Sainz cut the chicane and didn't allow the pass to happen, but retained the place and didn't give up. So what Vertappen did was, he took the place back and even he would have completely cut the chicane, there would not have been penalty. Still, Verstappen had two wheels on track. It was that simple.

[f1316]

Some guy has posted on reddit possible changes to track layout to improve the racing.
Variant 1
Variant 2

Removing the chicane and going straight to the Tabac corner would help.

But also Anthony Noghes.

It was a consistent problem for Vettel today - he’d be around 0.4s behind going through Massine (sp?) but would drop to over 1.5 by the finish line. Part of that is Ric’s strategy, i’m sure, but also because it’s so hard to follow through Noghes.

And surely you could just use the normal slip road here?:

[J.A.W.]

What about Verstappen overtake over Sainz with cutting the chicane? For me it was a clear overtake outside the track and yet another poker-face from stewards.

Just the previous lap when Verstappen was about to complete a clean pass on Sainz, Sainz cut the chicane and didn't allow the pass to happen, but retained the place and didn't give up. So what Vertappen did was, he took the place back and even he would have completely cut the chicane, there would not have been penalty. Still, Verstappen had two wheels on track. It was that simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUbrMzaOCuU

"That simple...clean pass...two wheels on track"?

Dunno what vid you were watching..

- but the actual vid you posted..
1stly shows a blatant 'block pass' by Verstappen, whereby Sainz had to 'bail out' across the chicane, or be collected.. (rammed),
& then for his cut-pass, Verstappen has 3 wheels off-track, & well over the the chicane-boundary paint..

Max-rules.. are there to seen.. in application, once again..

[nevill3]

As mentioned in the race commentary at the time, the white line defines the race track and there is no white line at the chicane so how is a driver to know where the track limit actually is. The kerbs are hiding the white line!!

[Yurasyk]

What about Verstappen overtake over Sainz with cutting the chicane? For me it was a clear overtake outside the track and yet another poker-face from stewards.
P.S. Vettel was really close to lose his car on some of braking points after the restart because his tyres were cold as hell. Vandorne definitely was an obstacle and after that he quickly lost about 5 seconds to Ricciardo.

Sainz cut the chicane in defence the lap before. The stewards obviously decided that Max gained no advantage because Sainz should have conceded the lap before. For once, I'm on Max's side on this one.

Vandorne wasn't an issue for Vettel because, as he said, he had no confidence in the tyres on the restart.

Just the previous lap when Verstappen was about to complete a clean pass on Sainz, Sainz cut the chicane and didn't allow the pass to happen, but retained the place and didn't give up. So what Vertappen did was, he took the place back and even he would have completely cut the chicane, there would not have been penalty. Still, Verstappen had two wheels on track. It was that simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUbrMzaOCuU

Rules allow you to cut chicane once when you are defending but not to overtake by cutting the chicane. What I saw, was cutting the chicane, even so close but _inside_ the curb (out of the track). If you are true, that's yet another twisty logic by stewards. IMHO

[nevill3]

Watching the video frame by frame he actually gets his front left wheel onto the yellow kerb at the same time as his rear end is still on track, then as the rear tyres "cut the chicane" his fronts are back over the kerbs so he possibly never had all four wheels outside the track limits, if you could see the track limits, at any time.

I first thought he had indeed cut the chicane too but on closer inspection maybe he didn't

[Bill_Kar]

I get the feeling that if race was run at full pace, maybe a 2nd stop would be on the cards. I don't know, it feels sick that ultrasoft lasted for 70 laps!

[sosic2121]

Thermal degradation tires suck!

[zac510]

If you had physical degradation tyres then you'd have 2 or 3 times the amount of marbles off-line. Or if you had minimal degradation tyres then you'd have 0 stop races with very slow lap times!