GPR-A wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 09:02
Muniix wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 22:42
GPR-A wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 14:36
I am not sure why you say "Stoner's protege". They have no connection. I have heard some folks here talking very highly of Stoner. Sorry, but he was one of those good riders, but nothing legendary. In 12 years of his motorbike racing career, including Moto 2 and 3, he won a meager 2 titles. Whereas MM has won 6 titles in 10 years across those categories. To me, MM is more in the league of Schumacher, in the sense that he can fight for championship and win, even when he doesn't necessarily have the best machinery. In my opinion, Stoner was overrated.
The fact that he chose to retire, considering the dangers of motor racing, to me says, he was probably not the most passionate riders. There are those F1 drivers and then MotoGP riders, all they want to do is race. They make the sport special.
You are quoting no numbers, facts or relevant external factors. Casey can and does when he hops on the Ducati set the best time for a now non-full time rider are the kind of facts to take into consideration as evidenced by Lorenzo's quote "we learn nothing new of Casey's talent'.
He was the 'Only' rider able to not only ride the 'un-ridable' ducati but take a championship on it. Every other rider couldn't understand how this was possible, every other rider.
And he couldn't repeat that success of 'un-ridable' ducati of 2007, in 2008, 2009 and 2010. Neither could he understand the bike in those years like he did in 2007. If someone cannot repeat the success they enjoyed once, it means fluke! And Stoner never repeated his feat. Like I said in one of my earlier post, Stoner's 2007 was just like Jenson Button's 2009. Sometimes it's just the aura that people create, a smoke screen more than the actual material itself.
He goes to Ducati in 2007, a first year in Ducati and wins it. He never wins again. The 2007 "Ducati GP 7" was built by someone else's feedback and he wins that year. When he actually provides the feedback to build 2008, 2009 and 2010 bikes, he can't win. I would say, his feedback made the Ducati become worse. 2007 (10 wins), in 2008 (6 wins), 2009 (4 wins) and 2010 (3 wins).
Deja Vu. He goes to Honda in 2011, a first year in Honda and wins it. The 2011 "Honda RC212V" was built by someone else's feedback and he wins that year. When he actually provides the feedback to build 2012, he can't win again!
That is amazing!
Good riders/drivers help build better machinery. He has been testing for Ducati for the past year and this, what has Ducati achieved with his inputs?
Again you are only stating opinions that contradict the well known facts.
The Ducati GP carbon fiber bike with no progressive rigidity was not advancing in development, Ducati refused development of the fundamental design, while every other bike was improving, it was Casey's ability to ride it and the engineers in able to convince Ducati to work on progressive rigidity in the carbon fiber frame, required due to the way telescopic forks work, they're unsupported beams worse with a rotating mass and sliding tubes, braking, steering and suspension forces all negatively impact on each other. No other vehicle has such bad handling dynamics. Ducati and Ohlins now have implemented progressive rigidity into the CF forks by controlling the direction and density of the filament.
It is well known injury and accidents not his ability to communicate to engineers or ride caused the major issue, again this is well known, for instance a high side from traction control setup in practice causing major squat on corner exit, his team making an error in a setup change.
