French GP 2008

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Would be great to see Alonso in the rain... and to see if Hamilton is as good in the wet behind another car's spray, as he is leading from the front.

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A boring race so far. Just the stewards in their incompetence providing some entertainment.
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It's incredible that the steward let Raikonen run with a loose exhaust, it could have killed someone! :shock: The officials were sooo prompts to hammer Hamilton with a drive through for an incident that is never sanctionned usually (cutting a chicane once with no gain of position), yet they let Ferrari run at 300km/h with a loose 3kg metal piece, putting the rest of the field in danger, not to mention Raikonen's own risk of being thrown off track, in the past similar events have led to suspention burn & fail. Shame!

Glad to see Trulli on the podium, that was very emotional. In the end it seems it's not Renault, but really Toyota who have edged BMW! Alonso was on a quite poor strategy, and his third place in qualy was due to low fuel indeed...

BMW was faster in race trim as I suspected, but the lack of qualy pace ultimately cost them a podium.

Bravo to Nelson Piquet who drove a very solid race, confirming the growth hinted at Montreal. =D>

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vyselegend wrote:yet they let Ferrari run at 300km/h with a loose 3kg metal piece, putting the rest of the field in danger
bit over the top that

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had it not fallen off it wouldn't have been dangerous
it did , it was

maybe they couldn't find the black and orange flag

they didnt even try and secure it in the stop

but its not a sport its motor racing
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Thank you for your excellent post, Ciro. Much much better than Alonso's race. I would have answered you when I got home at night, but the little common sense I had told me replying to an internet forum at 3 am wasn't the wise thing to do.

It seems I chose the wrong word for bike turning. I still haven't looked at the bike dynamics links, but it seems counterintuitive to me that the less friction the more they have to turn. In the frictionless limit, wouldn't a biker fall with the smallest of inclinations? Or at least start a wild precession movement. If this seems idiotic, please ignore.

And back to the race, I wasn't bored, but that may be because of the many close fights we had. I agree Hamilton got a raw deal with the drive-through, but one could have expected this after stating that "stopping for red lights doesn't make sense". It's also amazing that Kimi managed to finish the race. Is lady luck smiling him now?
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

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vyselegend wrote:I find the BMW's drop in performance rather difficult to explain. Even if others (namely Renault & Toyota -with Red Bull lurking around as usual-) have progressed more than them during last test, it's hard to believe they have lost their (3tenth at least) advantage on the chasing group, to the point of being now 2 tenth behind. It is unreasonable to think one can have gained as much as 5 tenth in two week times, and even then it would means the german team made no progress meanwhile, which is unlikely. No way Renault & Toyota have catched them up on race pace.

I think WhiteBlue has a clue, they messed up their strategy and misjuged the importance of qualy preparation, maybe because they were overconfidents, which they won't admit of course as the press would jump on the occasion to say it's because they won two weeks ago.

Anyway we'll have the answear tomorrow after the race, when we'll analyse race pace.

The Williams case is strange, it doesn't really seems that FW30 is losing to it's competition on a linear basis, but it's looking like the car is somehow street tracks biased. I remember discussing that here in another topic after Monaco, but now even Nico admited in an interview in french that their car "doesn't suit normal circuits like Magny-Cours". Indeed, Williams pace has been impressive in Melbourne, Monaco & Montreal, but they're struggling in smooth permanents tracks like Sepang & Magny-Cours. Could it underline a design bias in suspention geometry / damping?

I feel for Honda. Obviously the RA108 wasn't supposed to beat records, but still from this year's debut I thought 2007 bitterness was behind them, and now for two races they are in the fight with Force India again. More worrying is the comment made by Button, backed by Barichello:
Jenson Button wrote:The car was well balanced and we are pretty much getting the maximum performance from it, however unfortunately our pace reflects where we are at this track.
Rubens Barichello wrote:We are really pushing the limit of the car to try and achieve more pace but it is evident from how close Jenson and I have been all weekend that there is no more to come from the car.
I think it's the worst think that can happen to a team on a race week end (appart from accidents & tragedies obviously). The car is well balanced, it's braking well, it has good grip,drivers are getting good laps with no mistakes, but it is slow! That means there is no points to work on, the overall design isn't just efficient enough, as last year...

I'm looking forward to tommorows race, as this qualy asked more questions than what a race can usually answear.
Maybe they will use the expropriated Super Aguri cars next race???

Not as if they could do any worse than they already are!

Chris

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Nasty hole:
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I think this was the worst performance ever from LH in the first part of the race. He was so nervous, all over the place, locking wheels, sliding, impatient, a total mess.
He lost so much time behind NP, if he was half as calm and calculated as he was behind FA, I think he would have passed him in no time.

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Saribro wrote:Nasty hole:
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Are the margins on these cars tight enough that Kimi's car may have been legally underweight at some point in the race? Would it be a contravention of the rules if it was?

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myurr wrote:Are the margins on these cars tight enough that Kimi's car may have been legally underweight at some point in the race? Would it be a contravention of the rules if it was?
If there is evidence that the car was underweight during the race, Kimi will be disqualified. However, cars are built with a 605 kg target in mind (for qualifying) but are allowed to weigh 600kg after the race for incidents like this. So as long as that particular exhaust weigs less than 4 kg (give me a margin), it will be OK.
He lost so much time behind NP, if he was half as calm and calculated as he was behind FA, I think he would have passed him in no time.
Although Nelson has driven very well this time, one advantage Lewis had with Alonso is that, this time, they weren't really fighting each other. Fernando didn't have to fight with Lewis for position and most of the times they've been together this time the weight difference was large.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr

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So... when all of you LH fans will agree that he's not quite there as a racer? Sure, he's great driver, but these days there're plenty of really fast guys, and among the rest LH hasn't shown anything that can be considered exceptional like MS shown at the start of his carreer.

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I've got to say I too think the drive through penalty for Hamilton was harsh, as he was well past Vettel before they entered the chicane... He did however make a mistake by taking too much speed in there and so he went off the track. I can't see however he made an advantage from it.

I also think that Kimi should have been called into the pits and had the exhaust pipe taken off the car, even if he was allowed to continue after that, it was very dangerous to continue running with it at speed dangling from the sensor wires. You could see in the slow mo when it came off how high it went.. I'm surprised no one was hurt when it did.

Apart from that, dull race.

One thing I liked more than anything, seeing Truli on the podium again. Well done him and a great result for Toyota and Ove RIP.
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So did the whole, or part, of the header come off or was it just the bodywork? I followed the race on F1Live because, sadly, they don't aloow TVs at work for us to lounge and watch racing on. :D

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ben_watkins wrote:I can't see however he made an advantage from it.
So, to be back at the line he would have to break very hard, loose speed and let Vettel in, don't you think? Or it is alright not to break into the corner, overtake driver who breaks at the right place before the apex and then clip it, and go away with it :lol: ?

LH has a great potential but all the media hype prevents him from seeing his weaknesses and improve.