So Alonso PU blew up because it was Alonso´s first attempt at Indy...
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You´ve admitted yourself you last messages are a rant, so please stop it, it´s enough, and OT btw
So Alonso PU blew up because it was Alonso´s first attempt at Indy...
They spent two years enticing a reluctant Honda back into F1. Not easy to do.
Since when?Alonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:22It's a good job mclaren aren't fighting for p15 anymore isn't it?
Since the switch to Renault.
Monaco was their best qualifying and they were still 1.4 sec off pole; Canada 2 sec.Alonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 21:24Since the switch to Renault.RonDennis wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:59Since when?Alonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:22
It's a good job mclaren aren't fighting for p15 anymore isn't it?
They've been consistently in the top 10 in the races and have been fourth or fifth fastest on race pace. Nothing to brag about for sure but hardly 'fighting for p15'
Melbourne 11th / 12thAlonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 21:24Since the switch to Renault.RonDennis wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:59Since when?Alonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:22
It's a good job mclaren aren't fighting for p15 anymore isn't it?
They've been consistently in the top 10 in the races and have been fourth or fifth fastest on race pace. Nothing to brag about for sure but hardly 'fighting for p15'
The Irony is, it's the best is 4 years.RonDennis wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 21:51Melbourne 11th / 12thAlonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 21:24Since the switch to Renault.
They've been consistently in the top 10 in the races and have been fourth or fifth fastest on race pace. Nothing to brag about for sure but hardly 'fighting for p15'
Bahrain 13th / 14th
China 13th / 14th
Baku 13th / 16th
Canada 14th / 15th
It's a disgrace and this must be one of the worst cars they have ever created.
I for one, enjoy your posts!Alonso Fan wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 22:15I've stopped posting on here as often as I used to because quite frankly I've got a life and have better things to do. It's the same things over and over again, mclaren and Honda and EB's head and Capito this and Dennis that. No actual constructive technical discussion, the odd good post burried within rants of endless essays of bashing (most of it unwarranted and unnecessary, but some justified). A decent result and everyone shuts up. A retirement and everyone's back here screaming.
It's an absolute joke. I'm sure the mods could cut the size of this thread in half if they really wanted to
I'm not defending where they are, but I will try to take a balanced point of view. They have improved, no doubt, but they also have a fundamental flaw in the car. Do I know how this happened? No, so I won't pretend to, or shout loudly about it. But whilst not directly saying they have a massive issue, they have said there is an issue, that it is tricky. They have said they expect to be competitive by the end of the year with a real upturn happening in the second half of the season. My expectation was set at that, so I am not so upset as others. The internals of Mclaren seem to be a mess. However, Zak Brown has been given either a lifeline, or the rope to hang himself. So change of some sort is set in motion already. In terms of Running trackside, Boullier has done well this year. In terms of sponsors, Brown has done well this year, so I won't shout them down.RonDennis wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 17:23Nobody expected that McLaren would beat Red Bull, but come on. You're fighting with teams like Haas, Force India and Toro Rosso. It's not like they're missing half a second, we're talking about seconds. That's simply unacceptable when you talked about having one of the best cars in 2017, they said goodbye to a works deals and tenths of millions. It's crisis at McLaren and let's hope something good comes out if it. I really don't understand how some are still defending them, they're the laughing stock of F1 right now.mwillems wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 16:28Wonderful, Honda vs Mclaren again.
Funny how when things don't go great everyone scrabbles to point fingers at someone. Perceptions change fast though.
If a new rear suspension, or now bargeboard philosophy is fitted to the car by race 10 , 11 or 12 and the car becomes competitive, there will be different tunes. Then someone might point out that both the team and Alonso had said very early on, that the team won't be competitive until the second half of the season, and that if they chase podiums, it will be the end of the season, and not a blink of an eye will occur whilst individuals seamlessly move opinion like their opinion was never otherwise, or that they ever forgot those words were said by the team and Alonso, and everything will be well with the world.
Of course, it might yet still be a sh*tstorm, but they have said wait until the back end of the year to see what they can do. Is that too hard? The universe doesn't give a flying fig for the tantrums, won't be affected by it. Nor will Honda for that matter, they are too busy with other things.