2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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I know the front wheels have to be tethered but does this also count for the rear wheels?

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Good chance it rains for or during quali and the race.
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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Same thing probably happened to Alonso earlier this year.

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Juzh wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 21:21
Hamilton fp2 P1 lap - 1:32.539

https://streamable.com/v9zay
The car seems slightly loose at the rear but OK in general.

He recorded a top speed of 323 Km/h I think, wasn't that over 330 in Fp1? Did they opt for a higher downforce setup?

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Bill_Kar wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:44
Juzh wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 21:21
Hamilton fp2 P1 lap - 1:32.539

https://streamable.com/v9zay
The car seems slightly loose at the rear but OK in general.

He recorded a top speed of 323 Km/h I think, wasn't that over 330 in Fp1? Did they opt for a higher downforce setup?
In Fp1 Mercedes was running that spoon shaped RW.

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Godius wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:02
I know the front wheels have to be tethered but does this also count for the rear wheels?
Wheel tethers are a bit of a misnomer, as none of the wheels are tethered. The uprights/wheel carriers, however, do have two tethers each (eight per car). The torque of the wheel nut holds the wheel to the carrier, and a spring loaded retainer tab keeps the nut from backing out if the nut becomes loose. If a piece of debris prevented the wheel nut from seating, then proper torque could still be applied, but the nut would not have not been threaded on deeply enough for the retainer tab to engage. When the debris falls out, or the unevenly loaded wheel nut vibrates loose, there's nothing to stop the wheel and nut from falling off the upright/carrier.

Hence:

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Sevach wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:52
Bill_Kar wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:44
Juzh wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 21:21
Hamilton fp2 P1 lap - 1:32.539

https://streamable.com/v9zay
The car seems slightly loose at the rear but OK in general.

He recorded a top speed of 323 Km/h I think, wasn't that over 330 in Fp1? Did they opt for a higher downforce setup?
In Fp1 Mercedes was running that spoon shaped RW.
Oh, I see.Thank you for the note Sevach.

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Some general considerations after 7 races into 2018:

This year, having 3 top teams within 2 or 3 tenths from one each other in race pace, it`s more important than ever to have the pole and then run in the free air had you win the start. One argument is for having both tyre management and PU cooling reasons. Another argument is that there are situations like Melbourne or Montreal when even if one team is 1 sec faster than the other it`s practically impossible to pass. And that is not track dependent, at least for Montreal track is not the case. So, track position is at a premium that means pole position should be considered a must-have. Hence top teams now are more and more focused on altering their car setup towards qualy …

And regarding this matter, there are teams which set up their car more towards the qualy and some more towards the race. But there are also teams which are fully towards the race like Force India, for instance. And my understanding is that that was the case for Merc car until last year when they realized that Ferrari is stronger in race pace. So, they altered their car setup slighter towards qualy in order to conquer the pole hence being easier to win the race. Now in 2018, Ferrari is practically mimicking the 2017 Merc qualy strategy with better results cuz they have a better tyre management both in the race and especially in the qualy, due to both longer wheelbase than last year and also due to their higher rake allowing them a better rear suspension setup. This action forced Merc team to further compromise their car setup towards qualy in order to win the pole. But this lead to poor race performance and above all a poorer race tyre management ...

And now these are my simple proposal for better racing:

1. Mandatory 3 stop race, cuz 2 stop could be easily compromised at the start of the race with a SC phase.

2. Hypersoft tyres for all 2019 races and also for the qualy. Thus, we should have between 3 or 4 stops on almost all tracks. But for circuits like Spain, Silverstone, Suzuka and some few others which are hard on tyres, Pirelli could bring tyres that are one step harder than HS but is softer than US. As a bonus: it would end issues between qualy setup and race setup, cuz the qualy should be with race fuel on board like we have had some 10 years or so ago … And last but not least, they could skip setup issues for having to choose a compromised setup between 2 types/composition of tyres.
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roon wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:55
Godius wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 22:02
I know the front wheels have to be tethered but does this also count for the rear wheels?
Wheel tethers are a bit of a misnomer, as none of the wheels are tethered. The uprights/wheel carriers, however, do have two tethers each (eight per car). The torque of the wheel nut holds the wheel to the carrier, and a spring loaded retainer tab keeps the nut from backing out if the nut becomes loose. If a piece of debris prevented the wheel nut from seating, then proper torque could still be applied, but the nut would not have not been threaded on deeply enough for the retainer tab to engage. When the debris falls out, or the unevenly loaded wheel nut vibrates loose, there's nothing to stop the wheel and nut from falling off the upright/carrier.

Hence:

https://images.indianexpress.com/2018/0 ... alonso.jpg
Aha, thank you for this explanation.

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atanatizante wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 23:17


And now these are my simple proposal for better racing:

1. Mandatory 3 stop race, cuz 2 stop could be easily compromised at the start of the race with a SC phase.

Why does FIA not simply close the pits while safety car comes out like most oval racing does? Where you can pit but you have to go to the back of the line before the restart as a penalty for doing so. They could open the pits once the cars are bunched together like in Nascar. I don't understand why because this system is much more fair and better racing.

Though it makes the race less of a lottery, and that artificial spicing up the race may be what they want right now given the lack of overtaking complaints?

Interesting points about the qualy vs race setup strategy. Is this one stop situation intentional, or is it an unintentional result of Perelli being conservative and trying to avoid a situation where there are 3-5 stop races? I'm hoping that they're targeting a future of 2-3 stop tires.

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Sierra117 wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 13:09
A slightly less-discussed topic, how about the teams include a mini-map of everyone on the grid (same way we see on TV or in a racing game)? Like on a tiny section of the dash, maybe not even a map just a name that suggests someone is immediately behind you. That way we can finally eliminate this issue of someone going too slow in front or suddenly turning in or teams forgetting to inform of someone faster. Or at least to reduce the events. I'm sure there can be some sort of solution, it doesn't seem like a monumental task.
Hmm... how much info on the dashboard during usual driving in practice/qualifying does the driver need? Maybe it would be easy to implement this without issue. But what is stopping this is the teams need enough incentive. Right now there's not enough consequence for misbehavior for them to implement something like that.

In auto racing there is almost always an externality cost problem with safety ... organizations, tracks, and teams don't bear the full cost of injury or death in racing. And there's an externality cost that individual teams place on other teams and the track/event/etc in that the teams don't bear the full cost of things like a wheel coming loose or a collision with another car, etc.. So teams take more risk with things like collision with another car, or hazardous debris prevention, than they would if they had to pay the full cost. Sorry for poor explanation.

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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Brenton wrote:
23 Jun 2018, 00:51
atanatizante wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 23:17


And now these are my simple proposal for better racing:

1. Mandatory 3 stop race, cuz 2 stop could be easily compromised at the start of the race with a SC phase.

Why does FIA not simply close the pits while safety car comes out like most oval racing does? .
F1 did that years ago. It didn't help.
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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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1 stop race?
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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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Juzh wrote:
22 Jun 2018, 21:21
Hamilton fp2 P1 lap - 1:32.539

https://streamable.com/v9zay
Got to say I like the track from onboard. Smooth flowing layout. Did he just do 300 kph through a corner?
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Re: 2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

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I would get lost on that track... they should have foam kerbs across all of the unused layout sections.