More details about McLaren's technical leadership changes are becoming public as it has now become clear that Toro Rosso's highly valued technical director, James Key, is set to join McLaren in the same role.
Because of management demands they slapped on the upgrades onto a wretched base without solving the problems there first. It's a shambles.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:05If there is some mysterious shenanigans happening with the barge board, i guess that if the new nose is channeling some more air in that direction then it may have made it worse.
But after testing and after 7 races how the hell can they not see the issue? I wonder when they realised that they had a divergence between reality and the wind tunnel. Possibly after fitting the nose and doing aero tests in that area?
I'm questioning whether they knew about the issues before or after Spain. Putting updates on is probably the right thing to do, as whilst they don't know what the issue is, adding parts that makes the issue worse or better will help isolate where the problem is. Trial and error, not exactly F1 but it's all they seem to have right now.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:30Because of management demands they slapped on the upgrades onto a wretched base without solving the problems there first. It's a shambles.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:05If there is some mysterious shenanigans happening with the barge board, i guess that if the new nose is channeling some more air in that direction then it may have made it worse.
But after testing and after 7 races how the hell can they not see the issue? I wonder when they realised that they had a divergence between reality and the wind tunnel. Possibly after fitting the nose and doing aero tests in that area?
I believe the Toyota is a 50 or 60% scale, where the Windshear is 100% (actual car, not a model).GPR-A wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:30They should be able to use the Toyota wind tunnel, the way FI and Williams have been using. Regardless of which wind tunnel the team uses, it's the time spent that need to be tracked and not which Wind Tunnel itself. They can get a reference of where they have gone wrong and get that fixed.
I don't think the problems are just aero. They are also struggling with poor mechanical grip that makes them slower on the slow turns now, compared to a year or two back. And the organizational chaos isn't helping the matters either.
Apologies i misread that. Might be a nice idea,, but they have FP1 and 2 for that. Flow vis and airflow monitors plus the in season tests, including a recent one in spain. I think they are a bit clueless in both situations. Still I'd like to know when they realised there was an issue.
Really, you know that for a fact?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:30Because of management demands they slapped on the upgrades onto a wretched base without solving the problems there first. It's a shambles.mwillems wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:05If there is some mysterious shenanigans happening with the barge board, i guess that if the new nose is channeling some more air in that direction then it may have made it worse.
But after testing and after 7 races how the hell can they not see the issue? I wonder when they realised that they had a divergence between reality and the wind tunnel. Possibly after fitting the nose and doing aero tests in that area?
FI seem to be ok but Williams are also having correlation problems using the same wind tunnelGPR-A wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 19:30They should be able to use the Toyota wind tunnel, the way FI and Williams have been using. Regardless of which wind tunnel the team uses, it's the time spent that need to be tracked and not which Wind Tunnel itself. They can get a reference of where they have gone wrong and get that fixed.
I don't think the problems are just aero. They are also struggling with poor mechanical grip that makes them slower on the slow turns now, compared to a year or two back. And the organizational chaos isn't helping the matters either.
PhillipM wrote: ↑24 Jun 2018, 22:03Actually FI also had correlation problems around the bottom of the sidepods near the floor early on - which is exactly where Mclaren has been running flowvis and pitiot arrays for the past 3 races.
I did wonder if they were having seperation issues as you could see on the flowvis back in Canada and Monaco, but I just put it down to the access panel/exit vent in the area at the time.
