Contraversal!?!

[Ray]

I still stand by my ground with the research i've done through the net.

Yes we have higher CO2 levels than we did in recorded past.

Yes this will slightly warm up the planet.

But... Also the sun is hotter now than in the past.


My theory is with increased CO2 levels, plants will grow faster and help maintain levels if we bloody stop cutting them down!

Remember 50% is taken into the sea and 50% by plants and trees and we're losing an area the size of scotland every year in rain forrests.

Yes lets be more efficent with our resourses and push technologies forward but the problem has been the same problem since I was at school 17 years ago. Stop cutting the bloody trees down! Carbon footprint is just for governments to make money!

=D> Finally! Someone else who see through all the BS. I said before we should stop cutting down trees, that's a big part of the problem. Plants thrive on CO2 and the more we cut down, the less CO2 is absorbed and turned into oxygen. Simple.

YES, we are going through a global warming trend. All the hoopla and media coverage is just a huge cover for a tax on you.They want your money so they can buy themselves more power.

[Ray]

[Ciro Pabón]

I don't want to call anyone blind (I would if I had the time and patience ) but I will modifiy the caption for the 21st century to "We can make lots of money off of what's left of the environment".

Artic sea ice in 1997 (yellow outer line), 2005 (green inner line) and the 2007 minimum (white area).


I guess the melting must be a coincidence caused by the solar cycle or the Pinatubo eruption and it's good for artic moss and lichen that will grow stronger and taller. Nothing to be worried about, move on, citizen.

[enkidu]

Don't kid yourself that just by reducing your carbon footprint the ice will come back. The sun is hotter, even the ice has melted on mars in exactly the same way as here on earth.

Just replant the size of scotland in trees every year instead of deforestising the planet and we maybe able to slow this down.... But unfortunately we are coming out of the mini ice age we was in naturally as this is a natural event of the planet.

[enkidu]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... rming.html

[enkidu]

What people don't understand is governments are so currupt, scientists are paid off to come to conclusions that governments want to publicise. You can't take everything you read and hear on global warming as fact. Its just the unknown, no body knows if humans have caused it or just mearly accelerated it. Other sites say the sun is now carming down and earth will cool over the next 50 years.

In the mean time save yourself some money and go as green as you can because governments like to tax people with big cars and I hate giving money to them!

Then again I run a turbo motor so who am I to talk lol But I do have energy saving bulbs coz that helps my wallet..

[Ciro Pabón]

According to your source,

Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance.

Then you can read elsewhere this:

The consensus position (as represented for example by the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report) says that solar radiation may have increased by 0.12 W/m² since 1750, compared to 1.6 W/m² for the net anthropogenic forcing.[95] The TAR said, "The combined change in radiative forcing of the two major natural factors (solar variation and volcanic aerosols) is estimated to be negative for the past two, and possibly the past four, decades."

Of course, you're free to pick the opinion of a lone guy over the consensus of all the major science academies of the world, but then you have to explain this:



And this:



Good luck.

[enkidu]

Taking a solar cycle from 1975 to 2005 is not true indication, you need to go back 1000's if not 100,000's of years which we know is not possible.

I'm not saying carbon dioxide is not having any effect on warming i've never said that but there are natural cycles of warmer and colder climate conditions on this planet. A few volcanos, under water eruptions and bang there is loads of CO2. The planet naturally recycles all of that CO2, its always been here and will stay we dont actually make any new CO2 as its always been here.

What I am saying is we need to be more considerate to this planet, you can't cut down trees as they are the planets natural way of dealing with CO2. Remember plants were here long before animals.

[Belatti]

The planet naturally recycles all of that CO2, its always been here and will stay we dont actually make any new CO2 as its always been here.

No, we don´t make any CO2, we just grab it from the underground and vent it to the atmosphere, what a "natural" contribution, don´t you think?

What I am saying is we need to be more considerate to this planet, you can't cut down trees as they are the planets natural way of dealing with CO2. Remember plants were here long before animals.

Plants are the reason we animals are alive.

I don´t get you enkidu, first you seemed very "anti-gobal-warming-believer" guy and now you recognize we are f*cking up the planet. Oooops... Is someone making you think?

Ciro how could you? There is no blind people, but people with their eyes covered. Keep tearing the veil in front of their eyes

[flynfrog]

I don't want to call anyone blind (I would if I had the time and patience ) but I will modifiy the caption for the 21st century to "We can make lots of money off of what's left of the environment".

The environment doesn't go away. It may change but it does not go away.

What I don't understand is who decided that this current climate should be the correct one. The climate has constantly changed why should it stay as it is now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNDbKpusT0[/youtube]
one of my favorite comedy skits by recently deceased George Carlin.

Some NSFW language

[Belatti]

What I don't understand is who decided that this current climate should be the correct one. The climate has constantly changed why should it stay as it is now.

Have you ever seen the movie "Waterworld"?

[enkidu]

No, we don´t make any CO2, we just grab it from the underground and vent it to the atmosphere, what a "natural" contribution, don´t you think?

Well over a long term it is, as continents move carbon deposets from all dead plant and animals move downwards and melt in the outer core. This will include any oil etc which are caught in the crust. So if we didn't extract it it would eventually be blasted into the atmosphere with a volcano anyway. Ok so we are speeding up the process a little but this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't cut down all the bloody trees.

Plants are the reason we animals are alive.

Exactly so why are we still cutting them down.. Stupid or what

I don´t get you enkidu, first you seemed very "anti-gobal-warming-believer" guy and now you recognize we are f*cking up the planet. Oooops... Is someone making you think?

No if you read through my posts im anti global taxation on carbon. It dont work!! I'm also a strong believer that the planet will repair itself as long as you dont cut down its forests! I do believe we do need to start using our resources wisely....So we do need to develop greener transport etc and we need to invent cleaner power stations like fusion reactors.

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, yes, this issue is controversial because the consequences are in the future.

Sure a volcano can inject the same monstrous amount of CO2 we're injecting in the most "ambitious", uncontrolled experiment on the weather of our planet.

Besides, most of the people affected doesn't drive and do not have voice or vote on global affairs, like Pacific islanders and African people.

Even more: what's a few polar bears on the future of the planet? I happily concede flyn's point about the earth being practically indestructible, I've pointed people several times to "Top ten ways to destroy the Earth"... Let me tell you it's not simple to destroy the Earth. I quote:

You've seen the action movies where the bad guy threatens to destroy the Earth. You've heard people on the news claiming that the next nuclear war or cutting down rainforests or persisting in releasing hideous quantities of pollution into the atmosphere threatens to end the world.

Fools.

The Earth is built to last. It is a 4,550,000,000-year-old, 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000-tonne ball of iron. It has taken more devastating asteroid hits in its lifetime than you've had hot dinners, and lo, it still orbits merrily. So my first piece of advice to you, dear would-be Earth-destroyer, is: do NOT think this will be easy.

I'm also missing Carlin's straight-to-the-point criticism and his catholic conscience (that I share), btw.

Sure the sun could dim itself by natural processes and drive us into an ice age, or conversely it could increment its output and fry all of us in the process. However, shouldn't we buy a few good parkas in the first case and some air conditioning in the second instead of dismissing those who warn us of the probabilities?

The fact that there is a controversy instead of decided action is what makes me doubt seriously that we, human race, qualify as intelligent beings. Even the humblest of bees has its food, housing and way of life guaranteed by the beehive, something humans are far from achieve. The way we're treating our environment shows our (me included) stupidity. It's easy to make jokes about the weatherman than taking an umbrella.

"Here's good news: George W. Bush says that he is committed to fighting global warming. ... President Bush says he's really going to buckle down now and fight global warming. As a matter of fact, he announced today he's sending 20,000 troops to the sun" --David Letterman

"According to a new U.N. report, the global warming outlook is much worse than originally predicted. Which is pretty bad when they originally predicted it would destroy the planet." --Jay Leno

"The report on climate change said that humans are very likely making the planet warmer. To which Hillary Clinton said, 'Hey, can't blame me for that one.'" --Jay Leno

[enkidu]

Besides, most of the people affected doesn't drive and do not have voice or vote on global affairs, like Pacific islanders and African people.

I don't agree with these comments. Africans have been on this planet same amount of time as everyone else, the its actually been said humans started there. Surely they would have the same technology as us if they had got off their arses and worked for a better life like Europe had done many hundreds of years ago. Instead they are filled with the same corruption and lazyness they have been for thousands of years.

[flynfrog]

What I don't understand is who decided that this current climate should be the correct one. The climate has constantly changed why should it stay as it is now.

Have you ever seen the movie "Waterworld"?

I live in the mountains we don't have enough water on this rock to get to me. Worst case I get a new beach

I'm also missing Carlin's straight-to-the-point criticism and his catholic conscience (that I share), btw.

Do you mean you don't get the joke or don't agree with his views. I'm pretty burnt out from work today so Im not sure what you mean.

I also dont get the point of trying to stop evolution does any one miss the dodo?

Polar bears had their time they will die off and make room for something else. We humans just have the disadvantage of knowing one day it will be us