Can someone tell me what is this car?

[Ciro Pabón]

I agree with Belatti and Timbo. Actually, when I posted before, I wrote something really long and boring about how you don't change accident rates unless you change the road and how I do not see the radical differences between F1 cars safety measures and regular ones, but I thought that would be OOT...

What have really changed in the cars? What touts FIA about in its page about safety? Collapsible steer column, harder chassis and HANS. That's it.

The cars still fly when they make wheel contact, for heaven's sake. Tracks like Catalunya still have improvised barriers. Even NASCAR has aerodynamic devices designed to avoid that, FIA has not found what to do yet. Discussing the new Concorde agreement they are worried about the teams getting more money.... from racing fees they charge to track owners. Way to go.

[WhiteBlue]

What have really changed in the cars? What touts FIA about in its page about safety? Collapsible steer column, harder chassis and HANS. That's it.

with all due respect Ciro, you are a bit biased there. of course track safety plays a major role in keeping driver alive and unhurt but there was a lot more done to the cars and driver equipment than you want to see.

• three upgrades in fuel tank safety
• two upgrades in Helmet safety
• three upgrades in cockpit design for driver protection incl. raised side walls, bigger mirrors, foam padding, extractable seats, wider cockpit openings
• three front impact crash absortion upgrades
• two or three side impact crash absorbtion upgrades
• two rear crash absorbtion upgrades
• mandatory data loggers for continuous crash research
• tethered wheels with two upgrades of specification
• rollhoop specification upgrade
• various tighning of anti flex wing rules
• external engine cut device for marshalls
• speed limiter in the pit lane
• in car flag signalling by lights
• mandatory sling points at roll hoop for quick car removal
• four power cuts to avoid dangerous cornering speeds
• medical signal monitoring
• precision GPS monitoring of vehicle positions

This much from the top of my head and there would be a lot more that I do not care to research at the moment in addition to the HANS and safety cell specifications that you mentioned.

[rjsa]

[*]three upgrades in cockpit design for driver protection incl. raised side walls, bigger mirrors, foam padding, extractable seats, wider cockpit openings

This one is a bit over the top, IMHO. The old static X dynamic security compromise.

Cockpit walls are too high and drivers have no peripheral vision this year. This is creating David Coulthard effect. Soon it will make a big mess.

[Ciro Pabón]

with all due respect Ciro, you are a bit biased there...

That's not my opinion, it's a professional opinion, and a bitter and critic one. It's not cheap to improve roads, it's much cheaper (and profitable) to allege that it's enough to improve cars.

Most safety measures by FIA seem to me like safety belts in planes or filters in cigarrettes.

I repeat we should open a thread if the issue is of interest to someone, I'm not arguing about your points, I'm asking everybody to keep it on thread.

[Belatti]

Wow people, I love how a miscelaneous thread converted into a safety one

Many street accidents happen because of bad designed roads. For example, there is a highway entering Buenos Aires from the north that is famous to have a curve with negative banking. I can barely take that at 140kph with my car using the 5 lanes, but newbie truck drivers sh*ts on their pants when they reach there at 90kph for the first time with a 40 ton charged truck and traffic all arround. There were dozens of accidents there, nothing was done to correct the issue.

I´m interested in the opening of the thread, so anyone, go on!

harder chassis

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• three front impact crash absortion upgrades
• two or three side impact crash absorbtion upgrades
• two rear crash absorbtion upgrades

And BTW:

four power cuts to avoid dangerous cornering speeds

Power "cutting" doesn´t avoid dangerous cornering speeds, Aero cutting does.
(please sory for being so pedantic )

[timbo]

I also would like to see thread on safety!
I think that some of the car upgrades (especially aero cutting) do not really work for safety. Say we reduce cornering speed by 30% so high speed corners taken with, say, 210 kph on apex would be taken at 140 is that automatically make a corner safe? That's rhetorics, but I believe that it is track safety where we have the biggest possibility for improve now. And it doesn't automatically cost more in perspective. There's info that Magny-Cours need $50 million for a massive revamp and who knows how many teams spent on adopting to all the aero changes? Thre's gotta be some points from TV revenue aimed on improving track safety. GPDA must decide what circuit needs that.

[Tifoso]

Looking at the Nordschleife webcam I came across this rare car, I don't know what is it. Any guess?

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... g-car.html

http://en.vermot-ag.com/

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